Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
Tuna’s Last Stand
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#12This is a fascinating article, but I'm bookmarking it for the unreadable graphs. It will be a great example for future presentations.
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#13Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
I sympathize with vegans and vegetarians like her, and I don’t like thinking of the machines some fast food chains use in their supply chain to slaughter massive numbers of animals, as humanely as you could do such a thing, with an automated spike that goes through their heads after they squeeze their hips to stimulate comfort.
I know caged hens may get excessively fat and maybe aren’t as happy, because I’m not happy when I’m fat. Cage-free egg can mean that chickens are packed into an ever more stressful pen, which is similar to the chick pens, where dead chicks have to be plucked up regularly from the moving masses. Free-range chickens may not have a temperature-controlled environment.
I like to eat chicken, and I’m told it’s healthy. But I spent time with a chicken yesterday that seemed like it wanted to talk with us and ask for food or other help, and it seemed to be patient with us, but eventually raised it’s voice when we weren’t understanding it.
Before I eat, I pray by quickly thinking of the sacrifices made for us and our comfort- the chicken that provided her egg, those that harvested the vegetables, and anything else I think of. I don’t want to cause harm, but until I understand how I can eat in a healthy way with the least negative impact, I eat meat.
I understand from others we may be eating unsustainably, and food may not be shared to all of those who need it. Some of those considered in poverty level in richer countries eat too much of poor nutrients that lead to obesity and health problems, and education alone is not the answer, as it’s the only food that’s affordable; being richer and fatter than others globally with much less food and money, they may be the least healthy.
Where do we go from here? I’m told fish, eggs, chicken, and beef are good for me, but I should eat more vegetables.
Greenpeace can tell us how to choose tuna: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/eat-tuna-know-fish/
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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#14> “All industrial fisheries, with very few exceptions, are ultimately drained of life after a certain time,” says Daniel Pauly, a University of British Columbia fisheries biologist. “They increase and push, push, until they collapse. Why should skipjack tuna be any different?” There you have it.
It is about the "tragedy of the commons", not any specific feature of industrial fishing. Indeed, where industrial fishing has assigned property rights, like with fish farming, there are no issues with systemic collapse.
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#15Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
I'm sorry, but I refuse to feel guilty and I don't see why anyone should. When I go to the store and buy some tuna I expect that it was responsibly fished. If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation, regular customer shouldn't be worried about that. The same with meat - when I buy some I expect that animals weren't abused and beaten at farms, if they were then there's an issue in the system.
Why do you expect this, when there is evidence to the contrary?
> regular customer shouldn't be worried about that
Nobody is asking you to single-handedly save the oceans. Start by installing Seafood Watch and do your best to select a sustainable option any time you're eating seafood.
> If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation
This is why crony capitalism is forever bound to a love affair with the state; it relieves us of any responsibility for building real communities.
Governments have never - and I believe will never - regulate society into behavior befitting the respect due to the Earth. We have given profiteers and their lobbyists access to a single point of failure; we can't be surprised when they utilize it.
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#16Most of you probably already know this, but Seafood Watch (maintained by the monterey bay aquarium) is a useful resource for figuring out if the fish you're buying is harvested this way or not.
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#17Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
I'm sorry, but I refuse to feel guilty and I don't see why anyone should. When I go to the store and buy some tuna I expect that it was responsibly fished. If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation, regular customer shouldn't be worried about that. The same with meat - when I buy some I expect that animals weren't abused and beaten at farms, if they were then there's an issue in the system.
The products themselves are telling you there are a variety of production standards and it is almost willful blindness to say you believe there is nothing going on because there ought to be nothing going on.
You could make an analogous argument about gasoline “Look if this was harming the atmosphere why would governments allow it to be sold? I refuse to feel guilty”
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#18Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
I'm sorry, but I refuse to feel guilty and I don't see why anyone should. When I go to the store and buy some tuna I expect that it was responsibly fished. If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation, regular customer shouldn't be worried about that. The same with meat - when I buy some I expect that animals weren't abused and beaten at farms, if they were then there's an issue in the system.
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#19Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
I'm sorry, but I refuse to feel guilty and I don't see why anyone should. When I go to the store and buy some tuna I expect that it was responsibly fished. If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation, regular customer shouldn't be worried about that. The same with meat - when I buy some I expect that animals weren't abused and beaten at farms, if they were then there's an issue in the system.
Occasionally I find myself in some gastronomy setting were nothing in the menu appeals to me other than the dishes containing tuna and then I eat it, and enjoy it a lot. It happens less than once a year.
(I do actually share your position wrt farmed meat, those farms are infinitely more regulateable than international fishing and I think we should regulate it hard, hard enough to solve big parts of the inherent inefficiency of putting nutrients though animals before they reach a human mouth by price)
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#20Are fisheries guilty? Are regulators and governments guilty? I think the guilty side are end-consumers, particularly in rich countries, people themselves and their lifestyle (ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food#Impact ) note: I haven't eat a gram of fish or meat since more than a decade (mostly because I don't feel the need, being already full with local products: fruits, plants, legumes, rice
I'm sorry, but I refuse to feel guilty and I don't see why anyone should. When I go to the store and buy some tuna I expect that it was responsibly fished. If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation, regular customer shouldn't be worried about that. The same with meat - when I buy some I expect that animals weren't abused and beaten at farms, if they were then there's an issue in the system.
I eat canned tuna also, but that logic doesn’t work generally.
By the same logic you could say that if you could buy a BB gun, it’s ok to shoot people with it, because it must not be harmful.
Come to think of it, that’s what kids did to each other when I was growing up.