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Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by oap_bram »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #38
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

Anyone who believes that "master" is some kind of slur and takes the opportunity to take offense over it is not someone you want causing problems in your organization.

I dont know, I was taught from a very young age to be nice. And honestly, I kinda of kept it as a close part of my personality to not make anyone feel uncomfortable for any reason. Although I can argue most of these things from a political angle, I also feel like "making people feel more welcome" is a goal in and of itself, and therefor can't be overlooked.

Honestly, I feel like if you would have a problem with a particular community you would like to have it resolved too right? I just don't think that it's ever been about terminology because you never had to feel uncomfortable because of it. That's not bad however, but it's easy to forget that if you don't relate to someone subjective reality, doesn't mean it's any less real.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by temporama1 »

growse wrote: post #45
temporama1 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of people that _genuinely_ have a problem with the word "master" (excluding all the weird (white) twitter people) is close to zero.

How many people have a problem with the word 'main'?

Nobody had a problem with "master" 18 months ago. Including you.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by narven »

When I think that people are not that stupid, there's always someone that surprises me.

What on earth has the name "master" to do with anything? Why dont we remove the word "master" from all languages in the world and make it a tabu to even speak of it. What does master/slave in relation to "hu-mans" has to do with anything else in the world that has the same name?

Just the amount of money and work hours done by everyone just to make this completely stupid change and not to mention behing completely stupid, its insane, could feed all the starving people on the world.

MY BRANCH WILL ALWAYS BE CALLED MASTER IN ALL THE PROJECTS I CONTROL, TILL THE DAY I DIE.

PS: Sometimes I wonder if people actually have work to be done, to take us to the futur and beyond, or they just go to the toilet and come up with these ideas.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by depr »

truculent wrote: post #28

Either (1) Default name doesn't have inherent value; therefore, changing the default isn't a big deal (low downside), even if the upside is low (2) "master" is for some reason a better name than "main" I never see the people complaining about this stuff spelling out a reason why it's a bad idea to change (2), and am forced to conclude that we are in scenario (1). It seems to me that opinion is much more divided on th…

There is a downside which is all aliases and snippets which assume `master` and no longer work (or work across repositories).

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by Longhanks »

beojan wrote: post #13
Longhanks wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, and gits is not the same one as a slave master.

Turns out it is: > This term came from Bitkeeper, a predecessor to Git. Bitkeeper referred to the source of truth as the "master repository" and other copies as "slave repositories".

Turns out the meaning can change over time. I'm confident the number of people using a master branch and the people owning slaves and thus being slave masters is zero.

Otherwise, one would probably soon need a list of banned words that may have been used in the past in "controversial" context so to not offend anyone. But I'm not sure how much of human language will remain at this point.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by av8avenger »

john_alan wrote: post #17

We should probably stop referring to nice teeth as straight and white too. Wouldn’t want to offend. If you can’t disambiguate software development from human abuse the problem is your grasp of semantics not society.

Personally i do not care about the change in the default name of the main / master branch in git.

But i totally agree with you on the point that we should be able to differentiate such terms from their meaning in another context. I see how this can offend people but honestly the only thing we'll ever be able to do is change the labels on such things. We're assuming so many of those words to be a defacto standard in IT that they won't die anytime soon.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by afavour »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #38
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

Anyone who believes that "master" is some kind of slur and takes the opportunity to take offense over it is not someone you want causing problems in your organization.

“I am personally not offended by this, therefore anyone that is offended is a problem to be removed”

People have different life experiences and backgrounds. The cost to you of renaming is near zero, if you’re the one loudly opposing something that makes your coworkers more comfortable then you’re the one causing problems in the organisation.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by oap_bram »

cuddlecake wrote: post #55
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

I don't like the continuing insinuation that there's "some loud obnoxious screams from certain SJW-like people". Usually it's just loud obnoxious screams from Anti-SJW people, and people blindly following the call to arms against what they call "SJW bullshit".

Yeah that's true, and I feel you on that. It's just that when conversing with people that do feel like these "SJWs" exist, makes it seem more nuanced, since you're distancing yourself from that stigma even though you're saying things relatively similar to SJWs.

Honestly, I just do it avoid being called one, even though I'm not in any way close to something that could be defined as a SJW.

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