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Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

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I think it's fair to point out that /this/ is an acceptable process to patent. I'm sure that's obvious, but HN does spend a lot of time denouncing software patents (rightly so).

EDIT: Not really sure why I got down-voted; nevertheless, I do think it's important to point out cases where patents can be applied as originally intended.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

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post #3

Wow amateur metallurgist sounds like a hardcore hobby.

I'm an amateur bladesmith. This guy posts regularly on one of the forums I participate in. He's chronicled his research there in very accessible, but rich detail. Really brilliant stuff (from my layman perspective).

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

#34

I think it's fair to point out that /this/ is an acceptable process to patent. I'm sure that's obvious, but HN does spend a lot of time denouncing software patents (rightly so). EDIT: Not really sure why I got down-voted; nevertheless, I do think it's important to point out cases where patents can be applied as originally intended.

Personally I feel that even stuff like this should not be patentable and that all patents should be abolished but I know many here disagree.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

#35

I think it's fair to point out that /this/ is an acceptable process to patent. I'm sure that's obvious, but HN does spend a lot of time denouncing software patents (rightly so). EDIT: Not really sure why I got down-voted; nevertheless, I do think it's important to point out cases where patents can be applied as originally intended.

Personally I feel that even stuff like this should not be patentable and that all patents should be abolished but I know many here disagree.

How would you suggest society repay the guy who invented the material? I can't think of any way except a temporary monopoly on its use.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

#36

I think it's fair to point out that /this/ is an acceptable process to patent. I'm sure that's obvious, but HN does spend a lot of time denouncing software patents (rightly so). EDIT: Not really sure why I got down-voted; nevertheless, I do think it's important to point out cases where patents can be applied as originally intended.

Downvoted because there is no reason to start a patents discussion in a materials science article.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I feel that even stuff like this should not be patentable and that all patents should be abolished but I know many here disagree.

How would you suggest society repay the guy who invented the material? I can't think of any way except a temporary monopoly on its use.

The problem is that as it stands now, someone like Intellectual Ventures will have a patent like "cooling metal with water", and either force him to sell for a few hundred bucks or just interfere with anyone else who actually tries to do this. It'll be 20 years before anyone figures out a way through all of the legal mess and starts production. Even then, it will cost more, not less thanks to this.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

#38

I think it's fair to point out that /this/ is an acceptable process to patent. I'm sure that's obvious, but HN does spend a lot of time denouncing software patents (rightly so). EDIT: Not really sure why I got down-voted; nevertheless, I do think it's important to point out cases where patents can be applied as originally intended.

Downvoted because there is no reason to start a patents discussion in a materials science article.

When is the time then? This is a very good specific example.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have the weirdest hobbies. Have a look at this guy: http://www.themysteryworld.com/2011/02/tatara-project-guy-ma... Making knives starting from the very scratch (that is, making their own steel to start with)

And actually, if hacking with computers wasn't so common, it would be perceived as quite awesome, too.

I'm sure you'd like to think so, but unless you have a blast furnace in your garage you're not as cool as this guy, sorry.

Re: Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists

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post #25

In spite of our understanding of chemistry, metallurgy still has quite a few mysteries in store for us. Some of them go back thousands of years. For instance we still have not been able to come up with a convincing reproduction of Damascus steel, the prized material that middle eastern swords were built of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel . Another supposedly related and "lost" steel is wootz steel. http:/…

Indeed. The other problem with metallurgy is that it's awfully complicated on all sorts of scales from the atomic to the micron scale.

Most materials and chemicals out there we now have a pretty darn good understanding of, thanks to being able to sit there and simulate the atomic structure of the material in the computer. But metals like steel are far too complicated since you're not just interested in hundreds or thousands of atoms at a time. To understand steel and predict its properties you need to understand all the impurities and the grain boundaries -- these things occur on scales which are far too large for simulation.

So metallurgy remains somewhat like baking a cake. We can bake all sorts of tasty cakes, but there are other cake recipes out there yet to be discovered which might taste even better and we have no idea how to get there from here. (And for this analogy to not completely break down let's just assume that "tastiness" is both objective and measurable even though it isn't...)

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