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Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Re: Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Post by rimliu »

tubularhells wrote: post #58

What nobody wants to talk about is that it might take several more years for things to go back to somewhat normal. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... >In developing its COVID-19 Scenarios Project, the ISC has consulted with WHO and the UN Office for Disaster Risk Reduction. The ISC has established in February, 2021, a multidisciplinary Oversight Panel made up of globally representative wo…

That's globaly. In countries where most at risk groups are vaccinated they can go back to normal in a few months.

Re: Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #128
de6u99er wrote: post #112

A globally coordinated approach, similar to NZ's approach could have ended the oandemic already a year ago. Thanks to COVID-19 fatigue amongst the population, such an effort very close to impossible.

Comparing an island nation of 5 million people, that can effectively close it's borders and "avoid" new focuses of infection, to countries of 100+ million of people, where the difficulties of border closing are effectively unsurmountable, is extremely disingenuous. The whole approach governments took in facing this pandemic needs to be studied in the next decades. It's an eye opening thing to see how viruses spread p…

well vietnam also did extremely well. and new zealands managed isolation (which i just went through) could easily be replicated anywhere there are hotels

Re: Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Post by akvadrako »

stormbrew wrote: post #13
thepangolino wrote: post #4

These kind of pandemic tend to end themselves after about 20-30 months. We’re about half way there anyway.

The last pandemic with a death toll anything like (actually much worse than) COVID-19 is the still-ongoing HIV pandemic. It's entering its 40th year .

Considering the flu kills about 500k people every year, one year of Covid is comparable.

Re: Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Post by tinus_hn »

tshaddox wrote: post #189
refurb wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m skeptical. Even countries like Singapore have constantly had 1 or 2 locally transmitted cases per month they can’t trace. Now multiply that across 170 countries some too poor to do what Singapore did. If every country had locked down like NZ, we would have just had a series of lockdowns and flare ups and more lockdowns. It certainly would have kept the case numbers much lower but can you imagine the fatigue after…

Wouldn’t you need fewer and less extreme lockdowns every couple of months if you aren’t opening everything up every couple of months?

Yeah, you’d only need one strict lockdown if you’re not opening up everything every couple of months. It just never ends.

Is this a joke?

Re: Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Post by mewse »

refurb wrote: post #166
jedberg wrote: post #158

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Whatever the answer I feel like it would take the courts a few weeks at least to figure it out. California (or more realistically Hawaii) could have had a full three week border closure before anyone settled the case law.

They certainly could have “closed” the border but how effective would it have been? How many road cross into CA? How many open fields? You’d need an army of hundreds of thousands to ensure nobody crosses.

Maybe they could build a wall.

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Post by vasco »

tshaddox wrote: post #188
Method-X wrote: post #176

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New Zealand is an island nation, which gives it a pretty significant advantage when it comes to controlling pandemics.

Hence a global approach similar to New Zealand’s. The globe has similar advantages to New Zealand when it comes to controlling pandemics.

The globe doesn't have an important property of centralized government and decisionmaking.

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Post by toxik »

tshaddox wrote: post #188
Method-X wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Zealand is an island nation, which gives it a pretty significant advantage when it comes to controlling pandemics.

Hence a global approach similar to New Zealand’s. The globe has similar advantages to New Zealand when it comes to controlling pandemics.

But for the fact that there is no single governing entity... which is an enormous caveat.

Re: Vaccines should end the pandemic, despite the variants, say experts

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Post by tinus_hn »

retrac wrote: post #55
ArkanExplorer wrote: post #36

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COVID is different because it is occurring against a backdrop of extremely aged and obese populations, in a year (2020) which followed a weak flu season (2019), and in an election year in the USA (2020) where all health decision were heavily politicised. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.11.20229708v... "In Sweden, the observed increase in all-cause mortality during Covid-19 was partly due to a lower th…

Despite their hands-off measures legally, Swedes still socially distanced aggressively. The government has been encouraging people there to take active measures in a manner unlike during swine flu. So we are still comparing the spread, and damage from spread, of a virus where significant behavioural change/mitigation efforts were made, against a virus with significantly less efforts to mitigate it.

Except when discussing poor results in Sweden, then its because they congregated, held events and allowed the virus to spread. I’m not buying either of these no true swedesman arguments.

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Post by rl3 »

ddingus wrote: post #141
luxuryballs wrote: post #127

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But your genetic disorder shouldn’t be extended to negatively impact others, knowing your unique situation means you need to manage your risks. It’s entirely unfair and a violation of privacy for people to have to be brought into your health decisions and vice versa. Why would it ever be reasonable to expect the government to keep tabs on random strangers just because I have a genetic health condition? I would much r…

You do realize health is not a "me" problem? It is an "US" problem. Frankly, we have a number of US problems brewing and we have them due to not having our priorities in order as a people, human beings.

Another way of looking at it is that most people are incompetent at being selfish.

A competently selfish person would realize that having compassion for their fellow human beings is one of the most selfish traits they could ever have.

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