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Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by fastball »

_Microft wrote: post #63
fastball wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with healthcare is that "basic minimum" is wildly subjective. Healthcare is still very expensive. There are diseases (including cancer) we could easily spend millions per patient on. Pulling out all the stops you could spend 10s of millions. But we really don't have that kind of societal overabundance, not yet. So how much do you spend per patient? Are there certain diseases that you don't spend any publi…

What problems do you see beside the ones that basically any country with a public health care system has (/has solved)?

What do you mean? A country having implemented a nationalized healthcare system does not mean the problem in question has been "solved", it just means that particular society has managed to agree where to draw the line. But this does not guarantee the population at large will continue agreeing indefinitely into the future.

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by cpach »

fastball wrote: post #72
AussieWog93 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason it costs millions to treat cancer patients is because of medical patents allowing companies to extract profit margins of several thousand percent (or more). In countries like Australia, where drug companies have to negotiate a fair price with a single government agency, the cost of treatment is an order of magnitude lower.

This is not true. MRI machines are not expensive because of "patents". They are expensive because they are expensive devices that utilize superconducting magnets which need a constant supply of liquid helium. Various drugs are expensive because (regardless of patents) there aren't enough patients to justify mass-production, so the price stays high. Sometimes even with mass production drugs are hard enough to make tha…

Good point. Not only are physicians needed, nurses are needed as well. They might be cheaper to train and hire compared to physicians – OTOH, there are more of the them and the numbers add up. Not all diseases can be cured by simply taking a pill.

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by chadcmulligan »

fastball wrote: post #72
AussieWog93 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason it costs millions to treat cancer patients is because of medical patents allowing companies to extract profit margins of several thousand percent (or more). In countries like Australia, where drug companies have to negotiate a fair price with a single government agency, the cost of treatment is an order of magnitude lower.

This is not true. MRI machines are not expensive because of "patents". They are expensive because they are expensive devices that utilize superconducting magnets which need a constant supply of liquid helium. Various drugs are expensive because (regardless of patents) there aren't enough patients to justify mass-production, so the price stays high. Sometimes even with mass production drugs are hard enough to make tha…

But millions per patient is the exception, most people don't have that spent on them, thats why it averages out, and why countries like Australia can afford public health care.

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by david_allison »

numbsafari wrote: post #19
aeturnum wrote: post #9

This is a sad reminder of the masses of invisible labor (unpaid and paid) that hold up our world. Social scientists have been studying how labor becomes visible (or invisible) for a while without finding obvious solutions to "the situation." How can we build a world where an infinite procession specialists like Roy can get the care they need and also find and train successors in their important work? Not just because…

Is there anything like an “Open Source Hall of Fame”, for recognizing and remembering significant contributors? It’s not perfect, but perhaps it is a way to at least preserve the memory and the history.

Google publishes a list a few times a year with their Open Source Peer Bonus scheme:

https://opensource.google/docs/growing/peer-bonus/

https://opensource.googleblog.com/2020/10/announcing-latest-...

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by caslon »

pjc50 wrote: post #39
KennyFromIT wrote: post #3

Messages like these are so sad to read. The world will never realize how many people are working tirelessly behind the scenes to keep society moving forward. Cheers to all of the silent (and sometimes not so silent) people that continue to give of themselves to make this world a more wonderful place in their own little way. You all are awesome and we literally couldn't go on with our way of life without you.

I call this "Postel decentralisation": everyone thinks there's some kind of system or institution making everything work, but in fact there's just a guy doing it all on his own.

Interestingly, you seem to be the only person on the World Wide Web to ever have used that phrase (three times over three years?), but it's such a perfect description of such a common phenomenon that I'm pretty sure its propagation could save hours of time in typing for nerds on the Web.

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by _Microft »

fastball wrote: post #81
_Microft wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What problems do you see beside the ones that basically any country with a public health care system has (/has solved)?

What do you mean? A country having implemented a nationalized healthcare system does not mean the problem in question has been "solved", it just means that particular society has managed to agree where to draw the line. But this does not guarantee the population at large will continue agreeing indefinitely into the future.

Umm... yes? Of course this is subject to change. What else did you expect?

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by fastball »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #83
fastball wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. MRI machines are not expensive because of "patents". They are expensive because they are expensive devices that utilize superconducting magnets which need a constant supply of liquid helium. Various drugs are expensive because (regardless of patents) there aren't enough patients to justify mass-production, so the price stays high. Sometimes even with mass production drugs are hard enough to make tha…

But millions per patient is the exception, most people don't have that spent on them, thats why it averages out, and why countries like Australia can afford public health care.

So Australia does not have any caps whatsoever on what they will spend for disease X?

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

pjc50 wrote: post #39
KennyFromIT wrote: post #3

Messages like these are so sad to read. The world will never realize how many people are working tirelessly behind the scenes to keep society moving forward. Cheers to all of the silent (and sometimes not so silent) people that continue to give of themselves to make this world a more wonderful place in their own little way. You all are awesome and we literally couldn't go on with our way of life without you.

I call this "Postel decentralisation": everyone thinks there's some kind of system or institution making everything work, but in fact there's just a guy doing it all on his own.

What does "Postel" refer to?

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by aeturnum »

sjtindell wrote: post #24
aeturnum wrote: post #9

This is a sad reminder of the masses of invisible labor (unpaid and paid) that hold up our world. Social scientists have been studying how labor becomes visible (or invisible) for a while without finding obvious solutions to "the situation." How can we build a world where an infinite procession specialists like Roy can get the care they need and also find and train successors in their important work? Not just because…

Just in my personal opinion, things like a UBI move us towards that world. It wound allow people flexibility.

I support UBI! I also suspect that we need to go beyond universal benefits into grappling with the reality that different people have different needs. We'll need to agree on a way to discern which society should take on and which are individual.
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