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Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#31
That depends if you mean PTSD in a clinical sense, or PTSD in the pop-culture-phrase sense. And also, you're asking a yes/no question, but it's probably better to ask "how likely is it". There are a lot of humans in existence, so a whole lot of really unlikely things are technically possible just by the laws of big numbers.

In the pop culture sense, PTSD is basically just residual stress/anxiety from some negative event that happened in the past. Burnout, or even generalized anxiety disorder with work-related triggers... these are all totally legitimate things that have a very negative toll on quality of life, and that people conversationally might refer to as PTSD, but from a clinical standpoint, they aren't the same.

PTSD has very particular clinical diagnostic criteria [1]. If you read carefully, they're perfectly understandable. But I want to make some key points: in a clinical sense, the trauma referred to in "post-traumatic stress disorder" is explicitly and exclusively "actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence". That's it, end of list. Among other things, a PTSD diagnosis requires some kind of repeating, severe negative episode(s) -- night terrors, dissociative reactions, panic attacks, that kind of thing. It has to last more than a month, and it has to cause significant disturbance in your life. PTSD is a disorder, but it is almost always a qualifier for a disability, because it is extremely common that PTSD precludes your ability to live a normal life. PTSD, in the clinical sense, is something I would find extremely, exceedingly rare in any kind of business situation, startup or otherwise.

To be clear, I don't want to be relativizing either PTSD or burnout or anxiety disorders. I don't want to be comparing anything; I've yet to see anything productive come out competitions about who has the worse health problems, mental or otherwise. There are plenty of other very real conditions that can and very likely do result from the stressful environment of a startup, and they can be very serious, even leading to suicide, and I really don't want to trivialize that. But I want to make one thing clear: from a clinical standpoint, PTSD is a distinct entity with concrete characteristics. I've personally been dealing with pretty severe mental health issues my entire life, and I've also had friends with diagnosed PTSD, and to be completely honest, even though I doubt you meant anything by it, conflating the two feels deeply disrespectful to all of us.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/box/part1_ch3.b...

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#32
Yes.

"Daily Active users" from silicon valley made me cry for days and call and message former early stage co-workers.

The best way to work around it for me, is to accept it, work through it in my head; and if I can identify biases that I am scared of in current work, to at least call them out as things that I have good/bad experience with but encourage my team to work them to instead have a fresh point of view. Some of my spiders include cofounder trust issues; and seeing them can trigger hours of remembering why I am better off.

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#33

Business without a net at the hemorrhaging edge is like war is like life. Been homeless, went bankrupt, and just idled a bit, for a while. It's better to look at it as a game and an experiment. If someone gets too in-love with their "baby," emotionally or identity/ego, then they won't be able to pivot, chop it up, exit, or strangle it. Take a break, get a job, go on a coke bender, sleep with 3 affiliates of VCs, beco…

All of that is fine except the have a kid part. Don't bring a person into the world with the thought that he/she will motivate you to unfuck your shit.

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#34
post #31

That depends if you mean PTSD in a clinical sense, or PTSD in the pop-culture-phrase sense. And also, you're asking a yes/no question, but it's probably better to ask "how likely is it". There are a lot of humans in existence, so a whole lot of really unlikely things are technically possible just by the laws of big numbers. In the pop culture sense, PTSD is basically just residual stress/anxiety from some negative ev…

> extremely, exceedingly rare

One caveat to this: I'm considering workplace sexual assault and harassment as out of scope in my comment. That is itself a really important topic, but I don't think it was in the spirit of OP's question.

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can cause something like PTSD. I believe that OP was asking about actual PTSD, which is thing with a specific definition and diagnostic criteria.

Guy tells an interesting story from his own experience and this dude wants to quibble about specific definitions and diagnostic criteria, this is the pedantry HN is famous for.

Going to have to disagree with you. There is a significant difference between going through something that really sucks, and being traumatized. Based on the information presented thus far, OP is going through the former.

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#36
I have been working on a game solo for the last while. It can be extremely rewarding and extremely stressful. If you decide to go back to your startup role, it can pay off to take some time completely off (a day? A month? Longer?) and then go back to things very slowly and gradually in a low stress way, until it becomes enjoyable and feels manageable again. I wish I could say something more helpful than that

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#39
I will say the year 2020 into 2021 has not been very good for behavioral health. But PTSD is like so old right now. The girls don't want that. They really go for the diagnosis that is currently found in a virtual parade being promoted on a website. romaticised. encouraged. Now start up PTSD? I think that it not really what you are talking about. Sounds like you like it is commonly found and many professions ups and downs problems mistakes failures and during the resilient or you're not. And I know that you said that it's like maybe possibly hindering your performance? Find a mentor in your industry. Southwest might be a little bit rattled from this you know the stress of it but it's not a disorder. I mean I'm not saying your experience doesn't qualify to be stressful but I am saying I'm sorry that you're going through it and you need to find a way like she said to grow through it. And I don't really think you're going to find a libertarian source on startup besides maybe like a startup that writes content about start ups.

Re: Ask HN: Is startup PTSD real and possible?

#40
I shut down a successful, profitable startup once because I realized it was growth capped and I didn't want to spend the rest of my life doing it. By many measure it was a success, but I spent almost 3 years in utter depression for not being the next Larry Page or whatever rock star technical founder.

I think it all comes down to expectations. Whatever they are, if you one day wake up and realize you will never fulfill them, it can break that dreamer part of you in an unexpected way. That startup abyss some people talk about is real and feels like shit.

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