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France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by Retric »

dr_faustus wrote: post #13
lostlogin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you expand on this? I didn’t understand the problem to be the threshold, but the convenient underestimation of dose by a factor of 2-20x.

It's not my place to evaluate which method of calculating the exposure was correct. Just pointing out, that 1 mSv is a rather small amount of radiation. The smallest amount of radiation where one sees some indications of an increase in cancer risk is at 50-100 mSv [1]. I'm not arguing either way whether this should have an impact on any payments. Putting the threshold for compensation at 1 mSv is very conservative an…

The issue here is both the linear no threshold and threshold model are indistinguishable with our current data.

The problem is cancer is really quite common and has many sources so it’s hard to say what if any level is actually safe to expose X million people to. At least with medical X rays there is some benefit to offset risk, but without that it’s much harder to justify.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by omginternets »

marcelpro wrote: post #30

France is unique in the West as one of the few countries that unapologetically holds on to its colonies which it still regards as French territory. It continues to actively permit white settlers to migrate to New Caledonia and French Guiana, subtly ensuring the autonomy referendums are defeated and indigenous populations continue to be suppressed. It will come as no surprise that the French military are also actively…

You should at least make the effort of detailing the enormous educational, medical, infrastructural resources (not to mention subsidies) that mainland France directs to these places.

You’re not telling the whole truth, here.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by FuckButtons »

omginternets wrote: post #32
marcelpro wrote: post #30

France is unique in the West as one of the few countries that unapologetically holds on to its colonies which it still regards as French territory. It continues to actively permit white settlers to migrate to New Caledonia and French Guiana, subtly ensuring the autonomy referendums are defeated and indigenous populations continue to be suppressed. It will come as no surprise that the French military are also actively…

You should at least make the effort of detailing the enormous educational, medical, infrastructural resources (not to mention subsidies) that mainland France directs to these places. You’re not telling the whole truth, here.

No one ever said that colonial empires didn’t invest in their colonies. But the real question is how do the people who live their feel about the way their country is governed.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by omginternets »

FuckButtons wrote: post #33
omginternets wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should at least make the effort of detailing the enormous educational, medical, infrastructural resources (not to mention subsidies) that mainland France directs to these places. You’re not telling the whole truth, here.

No one ever said that colonial empires didn’t invest in their colonies. But the real question is how do the people who live their feel about the way their country is governed.

Agreed. The opinion among these populations tends to be quite split, believe it or not. It’s a complicated question, contrary to what the top-level comment would have us believe.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by ralusek »

FuckButtons wrote: post #33
omginternets wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should at least make the effort of detailing the enormous educational, medical, infrastructural resources (not to mention subsidies) that mainland France directs to these places. You’re not telling the whole truth, here.

No one ever said that colonial empires didn’t invest in their colonies. But the real question is how do the people who live their feel about the way their country is governed.

Which is obviously pretty complicated. Take Hong Kong, for example. They much preferred the colony of the British to the Chinese.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by sjg007 »

jessaustin wrote: post #28
sjg007 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't get 10x thorax xrays done in their life. If you have a reason to get those xrays fine... But in general there's a cancer risk so just multiply it out. I don't get dental xrays every year and I wait 3-5 years to actually have one. And I never have had a problem. You should only get an xray after the dental exam indicates a problem and you trust your dentist. I learnt this the hard way after seeing se…

...I wait 3-5 years... You're saving money at both ends! Not only are you not buying X-rays, but it's also fairly likely that by the time a condition is serious enough to cause you pain, the only option left will be to pull the tooth. Extractions are definitely cheaper than fancy procedures like root canals, fillings, and crowns. At some point you might have no teeth remaining, and you won't have to worry about the i…

Yeah as smart as you sound, you are wrong. Why don't you read:

https://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Publications/ADA%20News/File...

before you spout nonsense.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by FooBarWidget »

ralusek wrote: post #35
FuckButtons wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one ever said that colonial empires didn’t invest in their colonies. But the real question is how do the people who live their feel about the way their country is governed.

Which is obviously pretty complicated. Take Hong Kong, for example. They much preferred the colony of the British to the Chinese.

It's more complicated than even that. People who were born after the 1997 handover, and thus have had no real experience with British times, tend to be more supportive of the British than older people who have seen both sides.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by jessaustin »

sjg007 wrote: post #36
jessaustin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...I wait 3-5 years... You're saving money at both ends! Not only are you not buying X-rays, but it's also fairly likely that by the time a condition is serious enough to cause you pain, the only option left will be to pull the tooth. Extractions are definitely cheaper than fancy procedures like root canals, fillings, and crowns. At some point you might have no teeth remaining, and you won't have to worry about the i…

Yeah as smart as you sound, you are wrong. Why don't you read: https://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Publications/ADA%20News/File... before you spout nonsense.

I'm not going to read all 29 pages at this hour, but the chart on page 5 clearly indicates that patients with teeth should be getting 4BW every 2-3 years at the longest.

Note: if a dentist or hygienist notices something, it doesn't matter if you had FMX or pano 3 months ago. Getting another BW or PA can make the difference between a tiny filling and lots of discomfort.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by EdwardDiego »

Bayart wrote: post #18
lostlogin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because it's in Algeria Wasn’t it more in the south pacific? There was a need to underestimate radiation doses so as to undercut our opposition. When we made the fuss those in power in France took the time to send a military team to bomb a Greenpeace ship in Auckland, killing someone. They followed up with economic sanctions when we caught their amateur operatives, and later gave the soldiers medals for the murder…

When were we ever « friends » with New-Zealand ? It's not even in NATO. The only relationship we ever had was being part of the so-called West I suppose, although that never prevented us from going to war with our neighbours.

> When were we ever « friends » with New-Zealand

Usually when the Germans invaded.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rue+de+la+Nouvelle+Z%C3%A9...

> It's not even in NATO

Article 6 of the North Atlantic treaty kinda prevents Southern Hemisphere countries in the Pacific from joining.

No doubt NZ would have joined in the 60s, 70s, around the same time we had a penchant for getting involved in other people's post colonial wars.

Re: France grossly underestimated radioactive fallout from atom bomb tests, study

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Post by rntksi »

omginternets wrote: post #32
marcelpro wrote: post #30

France is unique in the West as one of the few countries that unapologetically holds on to its colonies which it still regards as French territory. It continues to actively permit white settlers to migrate to New Caledonia and French Guiana, subtly ensuring the autonomy referendums are defeated and indigenous populations continue to be suppressed. It will come as no surprise that the French military are also actively…

You should at least make the effort of detailing the enormous educational, medical, infrastructural resources (not to mention subsidies) that mainland France directs to these places. You’re not telling the whole truth, here.

Yes, but who are the people reaping the profits really?

I don't think this [1] for example would happen if the portions of the pie had been well distributed.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_French_Caribbean_genera...

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