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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Not sure GP's meaning, but just guessing here, maybe it trains people to hit "I agree" to everything without understanding, so when they get an actually security warning they just click right past it.

Gdpr means you need to have a disagree button. Just click it for everything

(a) not everyone has a disagree button today

(b) many people make the disagree button small, hard to see, or require clicking through multiple screens to get to

GDPR really should have dictated "agree" and "disagree" be of equal visual weight and button styling and dictated disagreeing to be a 1-click action.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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"Does there need to be some GDPR compliance thing?" Sounds like you have to learn something before starting a business.

Unfortunately, that's a big cultural shift that a lot of people appear to be having trouble with. We all really enjoyed the days when we could throw together a project and focus on the fun parts. Then came all of the other things we should worry about -- security and scaling, which are at least technical problems, but then things like privacy, moderation, and even legality. It's fun to put up a file-sharing service;…

Not disagreeing but would say this: people's personal data is not a resource to be mined in a for fun or for profit projects without consequences.

It wasn't always like this, but it is now and for very good reasons.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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The idea that they don't also tow the line IS absurd and I would never claim that. Nonetheless you can measure each country's contribution to the Iraq War as a rough proxy for how much they supplicate. The UK contributed by far the most of the three while Canada's involvement was minimal.

There's fierce a competition amongst many countries of the world to see who can shove their tongue furthest up the USA's arse. The UK may be out in the lead [through sheer long-term dedication to the cause, if nothing else]. But the equally supine devotion of countries like Australia, NZ, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Iceland [and several others] shouldn't be under-estimated.

I upvoted Normille’s comment to offset the downvotes. It may have been crudely put but it’s not wrong – at least in the case of Ireland, the country I know best.

For as long as I can remember, the Irish government has been quite deferential towards the US, e.g., allowing the use of Irish airports (mostly Shannon, a civilian airport – but also Casement Aeorodome, the headquarter of the Irish Aer Corps) by US military to carry troops, weapons and – quite possibly (aircraft were never inspected) – victims of “extraordinary rendition”. Every year, our Taoisigh (prime ministers) are always eager to have a photo opportunity with the US president on St. Patrick’s day.

I’m guessing that this is mostly to attract Foreign direct investment into Ireland from US multi-national corporations as can be seen by our notably low rate of corporation tax – and the government’s unwillingness to accept the tax income that the EU considers to be owed to us by Apple. Neo-liberalism has been the dominant political ideology over the past few decades with one former Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) famously declaring that Ireland was (ideologically) closer to Boston than Berlin. This dominance left Ireland particularly vulnerable when the 2008 financial crisis eventually hit us – without the widely touted “soft landing”.

However, the relationship isn’t all bad: a number of US administrations – particularly Bill Clinton’s – helped to bring about the end of armed conflict in Northern Ireland. That was probably the most important political achievement in the recent history of Britain and Ireland (one that Brexiteers, sadly, don’t seem to care about or have forgotten about).

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite paying it lip service Have you ever known any government departments that don’t howl about being underfunded? The NHS is the 4th largest employer in the world, 1.3 million employees to provide healthcare to a nation of 67 million. The Labour Party is currently claiming that NHS spending will be cut next year... because the emergency funding for the Covid situat…

> The NHS is the 4th largest employer in the world, 1.3 million employees to provide healthcare to a nation of 67 million. Yet taxpayer funding for health per head of population in the UK is lower than France Germany Sweden Switzerland And get this -- THE USA In 2009 - so before Obamacare came in, the US government spent $3,700 per person on healthcare. Not per person covered by medicare and military, per citizen. Th…

And the coverage sucked. The care provided by the NHS is very poor while paying its employees very little and forcing to work with garbage equipment.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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You must work with some pretty poorly organised companies. I work with a lot of French, Belgian and German companies and they pretty much all have proper procedures and tools for this. In France in particular the right to access/change/delete any and all data a company has on you was there long before GDPR (by decades) so most serious company are well used and prepped for it.

> pretty poorly organised companies They range from start-ups to national champions, but I won't disagree with you on the poor organization of most European companies point. Everyone one re-papered existing systems to some degree of compliance. Given nobody agrees on what full compliance is, they're all right in their own ways.

I wasn't making a point about European companies in general but about the ones You work with personally. Because they don't seem to be like the usual norm for European companies, that do have procedures and tools for this, unlike in your experience.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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It gives plenty of guidance and the 'enforcer', if one ever appears (vanishingly unlikely) is bound to be collaborative rather than adversarial, at least in the early stages. I really don't get the fear mongering over this.

Several companies have already been fined by the various country level data protection authorities that enforce the GDPR. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

So? Is it better they leave security holes wide open, share private data or don't practice data minimization.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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So you are saying: * A company is holding PII in a system they don't have the resources to manage . * The software is insufficiently secure to hold that data. * The company appears to be even be holding data on people that didn't even do business with the company. * This is in-part caused by the (sub)hiring of companies that also were not scrupulous with PII in the past. You say that this hurts said company, and they…

An email address is PII. Given that many preexisting systems used email addresses as usernames to identify users, let’s say a small business in 2015 hired a company to create a web app which let a user create an account using their email address and it put the email address into a log file with that user’s activity. The contracted developer finished the site, which cost 25000 EUR, much more than the business could af…

You could always have a corner case of course...

In this company, is there a solid technical reason why the log couldn't get rotated and/or aggregated and/or truncated to begin with?

Those are fairly typical things you might want to configure to do with a log; GDPR or no.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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It's actually fairly easy to be GDPR compliant almost by default, TBQH. It either takes a lot of effort or a lot of laziness to somehow end up non-compliant.

If "by default" you mean starting from ground zero, that's an almost meaningless statement. If the government passed a law requiring all housing to be be built to code to survive a magnitude 9 earthquake in a region where there are no earthquakes, and every house needs to be retrofitted, would you say the burden is low? After all, if you start from scratch without a house there is no requirement to do anything! And b…

That would be fair enough.

But this is more like trying to explain why your attic has strengthened beams that were not on the original (default) architectural drawings, and gosh what are all those bags of white powder doing there?

The government doesn't even make it illegal, mind. You just need to explain why, if someone asks politely.

( https://goo.gl/maps/UgRPhuxfXoezDJHB9 so this business still wouldn't get in trouble. )

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> The NHS is the 4th largest employer in the world, 1.3 million employees to provide healthcare to a nation of 67 million. Yet taxpayer funding for health per head of population in the UK is lower than France Germany Sweden Switzerland And get this -- THE USA In 2009 - so before Obamacare came in, the US government spent $3,700 per person on healthcare. Not per person covered by medicare and military, per citizen. Th…

And the coverage sucked. The care provided by the NHS is very poor while paying its employees very little and forcing to work with garbage equipment.

The care provided by the NHS is very poor while paying its employees very little and forcing to work with garbage equipment.

Doctors and administrators are very well paid. Even nurses are when you factor in the pension. The only genuinely underpaid staff in the NHS are its cleaners who are the REAL frontline against infectious diseases. Didn’t see them doing many Tiktok dances however, too busy with real work.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> Illegal to perform DIY electrics, e.g. change a plug. ?? As someone moving to Australia in a few months, I feel like this is something I ought to know about... > International travel currently banned. This is the same in many countries, including the UK right now.

"DIY (do it yourself) electrical work is dangerous and illegal." https://www.nsw.gov.au/topics/electrical-safety/in-the-home#... Arduino is fine. > This is the same in many countries, including the UK right now. Yes, true in UK during the past 1-2 months of national lockdown? Aus's has been the case for 12 months.

This page is tragically funny. It ends with 'You should never attempt to carry out any electrical maintenance other than changing a light globe.'
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