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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by mytailorisrich »

iso1631 wrote: post #537
mytailorisrich wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We haven't seen the same growth in other European countries though In cities like Paris, public transport has huge capacity and is cheap (and in Paris employers have to pay half your season ticket). Lower growth there does not mean that we're doing better, it means that we're starting from lower... And the UK has had a robust population growth as well.

> in Paris employers have to pay half your season ticket That sounds awful - so I effectively get a paycut if I walk or ride to the office?

I don't understand how you can interpret it as either awful or a paycut if you don't take public transport...

If you buy a season ticket (at least a monthly ticket) to commute between your home and office you send a copy to HR and they have to refund you half of it.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by gobsmacked »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #317
WanderPanda wrote: post #179

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Why is everyone so sure about your last paragraph? You could say the same for the EU block and even have more historical evidence of supranations falling apart.

> have more historical evidence of supranations falling apart Debatable. But even if the EU was - or was not - a tightly integrated federated state, I'm far more concerned about the UK withdrawing itself from the world's largest free trade bloc. I see it heading towards either economic protectionism (bad in the long-term) or getting into a race-to-the-bottom (potentially even worse).

> either economic protectionism (bad in the long-term) or getting into a race-to-the-bottom (potentially even worse)

That's a strange thing to say. Globalisation is usually criticized as a race to the bottom. The opposite of that is protectionism, which you say is bad. So which one are you in favour of?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Nursie »

closeparen wrote: post #517
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

That's why the first line of remedy is to help the company achieve compliance. Good faith on the part of the company goes a long way too.

The law is not like code. Thank god.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by glsdfgkjsklfj »

benbristow wrote: post #515

Can we get a rid of the cookie notifications next? They're so annoying and usually end up conflicting with Adblockers and breaking pages because they're not fully blocked.

elitist nonsense.

They ought to be annoying. so sites that do not track you for advertising can just add your cookie when you actively sign in, without the annoying popup on first visit, and receive more traffic because they are less-annoying.

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Post by asymmetric »

Silhouette wrote: post #469
kalleboo wrote: post #419

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> thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites I know of small companies that before GDPR didn't really consider the implications of private data at all. They'd just let their SQL databases grow forever (mark as delete and have "script to actually delete the data" as a TODO that never happened), had random backups lying around on dev machines…

GDPR forced them to actual define policy, start deleting old data that was no longer relevant, strip private data from developer test sets. That is the theory. The reality is that many small businesses don't even know the GDPR exists. Others are not complying because they think they will get away with it, and they are probably right. The rules are so ambiguous in some important ways that even those who do intend to c…

In what important ways is the GDPR flawed?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by gobsmacked »

benwad wrote: post #87
sverhagen wrote: post #62

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I have no doubt you're right, but I'm just not familiar with the specific details. What are some real ways they stand to "profit immensely"?

Lowering taxes, lowering regulatory and environmental standards, and undoing workers' rights legislation can all increase the wealth of those who are already wealthy. I'm not saying all of those things are in the pipeline, but they've all been proposed by pro-Brexit politicians (and this article is one example of lowering regulatory standards).

> lowering environmental standards

This is much talked about but so far I've only been seeing the opposite. Since brexit, the UK has so far banned fish trawling in the North sea, banned live export of animals, banned the import of fois gras, and created a much more environmentally friendly alternative to the EU's (absolutely atrocious) common agricultural policy.

> lowering regulatory standards

I'd argue that not all regulation is good regulation, e.g. the GDPR

> Lowering taxes

This is could feasibly happen and you could say it already is by looking at the way the tories have further rigged the housing market and stamp duty post-covid. But I fail to see what that has to do with the EU really. I don't know a lot on this subject though.

> undoing workers' rights legislation

I can see this one happening sadly. Am I not right in saying though that a lot of workers rights come from the judiciary, not the government? Example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56123668

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Post by Nursie »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #561
iso1631 wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in Paris employers have to pay half your season ticket That sounds awful - so I effectively get a paycut if I walk or ride to the office?

I don't understand how you can interpret it as either awful or a paycut if you don't take public transport... If you buy a season ticket (at least a monthly ticket) to commute between your home and office you send a copy to HR and they have to refund you half of it.

That sounds like a massive incentive to hire very locally!

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Post by jsty »

closeparen wrote: post #517
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

> And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong.

And that's if you can get said legal minds to take a firm position in the first place, instead of the more usual five - six figure "maybe"

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Post by throwaway8581 »

Nursie wrote: post #563
closeparen wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

That's why the first line of remedy is to help the company achieve compliance. Good faith on the part of the company goes a long way too. The law is not like code. Thank god.

Law is not like code but the GDPR is so vague and open to interpretation that it gives almost no real guidance and instead puts you at the whims of whatever the current enforcer thinks.

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Post by Nursie »

kmeisthax wrote: post #518
dijit wrote: post #386

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Broken clocks are right twice a day. Though I agree that involving both the military and the NHS has resulted in being enormously successful at rolling out the vaccine. Let’s hope that the NHS gets properly funded and doesn’t get privatised. Because the US vaccination rollout is a shambles.

>the US vaccination rollout is a shambles Japan: You guys have vaccines? In all honesty, this statement is fairly close to being hilariously wrong. The US vaccinates more people per day than any other country in the world. The reason why the UK has a higher per-capita vaccination rate is A) there's less of you to vaccinate, and B) the UK isn't doing two doses. The former makes the rollout easier - there are countries…

We're doing two doses! Just with a larger gap in between. Yes, the data is patchy but so far it's coming back as approx 75% protection from one dose, and identical (or even slightly boosted) protection after the delayed second dose compared to the shorter schedule.

I trust "the math" that shows a better population outcome there, even though individuals will have higher risk profiles this way.

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