Deplatforming works. Simply because of their revenue stream.
You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
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Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're the same racists on the left and the right extremes. It's just, we had decades of wars and (justified) propaganda that thoroughly discredited fascism and their style of racism so it's easy to see how the right extremes is bad. What the extreme left is doing on the other hand is a more modern variation of racism and totalitarianism. It's ostensibly driven by noble concepts like social justice but in reality de…
Yup. Try saying, with genuine honest neutrality, “all lives matter”, “it’s ok to be white”, or “capitalism doesn’t care about race/gender” and see what happens.
If you move this comment one level up it sounds like a clear distinction from the racist right. Making it clear that GP was engaging in a false equivalence. One might say: In a different context this comment is accidentally leftist.
You see the context in which you say things matter. If you should “all lives matter” in response to the death penalty, I bet you’d be met with a ton of leftist support. However if you say it in response to “black lives matter” it is pretty clear that you disagree.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
All three of these phrases are political slogans. They are inherently associated with a set of political views, because they exist specifically to oppose another set of views and slogans. It’s unreasonable to echo a political slogan in public and then complain that people don’t assume your neutrality. You cannot say “it’s okay to be white” and expect others to consider it neutral, in much the same way that you can’t…
It's the other way around: these phrases are neutral observations and reasonable opinions, perhaps reasonable reactions to insanity of well-known political slogans - importantly, it's something a random person can come up independently, without reading the exact words first. But at some point, these phrases rapidly become politicized, and this catches a lot of people off guard. You voice your thoughts, fully expectin…
There was no "all lives matter" until there was "black lives matter" and people wanted to say they don't like the message.
It is quite dishonest to claim that this phrase is neutral and not a political slogan.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thats hard since sometimes the masses are fighting against being helped (because that would be socialism) while languishing in poverty. Do they really have the right to commit suicide by policy, taking us with them via climate change? It is realy hard to empathize with those.
> the masses are fighting against being helped If you are looking for a clearler symptom that you don't empathize with them, there isn't any. What is not a moral failing, by the way. But check your "Left" label, because it's probably wrong.
You can be Left without empathizing with people who want you dead. That's a pretty straightforward application of Paradox of Tolerance.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't mean it's wrong... The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. The racists I've encountered on the left are the racism-of-low-expectations kind with a dash of openly-racist-against-white-people, and then they go and act morally superior to people who aren't racist against any race. The sanctimony is grating.
Disclaimer: I don't watch this channel, can't vouch for other vids. The youtube algorithm suggested this to me the other day, posting it here because it's pretty relevant. When Wokes and Racists actually agree on everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg
Maybe you should sample some of the other content to get a feel of who this guy is before promoting his work based solely on the fact that you agree with an opinion you have.
Because if someone has mostly bad opinions, you have to wonder if he managed to have just one good one or if this is a bad opinion too.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't mean it's wrong... The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. The racists I've encountered on the left are the racism-of-low-expectations kind with a dash of openly-racist-against-white-people, and then they go and act morally superior to people who aren't racist against any race. The sanctimony is grating.
> The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. Not necessarily. Even Richard Spencer, proud Hitler-saluting Neo-Nazi, essentially the founder of the "alt-right", denies being racist. People know that racism is bad, but a lot of racists will deny being racist while very explicitly saying they don't want to live next to a black person or will call the police just because they saw a black man walking th…
I've heard it said that the two things the alt-right hates the most:
1. Being called a racist. 2. Black people.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#277If you cannot censor away opinions, if suppression of ideas doesn't work then why in exactly these kinds of articles do people bemoan it as dangerous? I may agree that most censorship is wrong but it does work. It worked for centuries to help maintain systems of inequality. It worked for centuries to maintain familial control and enforce sexual monoculture in many countries. Information control works so well, it prev…
Of course you can do it in theory. The question is, whether you can do it today and whether those attempts will turn out more dangerous than helpful. IT achievements allows for extremely easy exchange of the information throughout the world. You can easily circumvent many kinds of blocking. You have E2E conversations available to masses, so you can't effectively censor anything centrally. Whether that's good or bad i…
> Of course you can do it in theory.
It worked practically in practice in history. It works also practically in countries like Saudi Arabia. Once in a while censorship does not manage to stop all opposition, which is why once in a while revolutions and such succeed.
But practically speaking, censorship works. That does not makes it right thing to do or something, which would be different claim.
Just because people manage to say censored things here and there just means it cant stop completely all such claims and materials. But it does minimize who will run into them, how many of them will be available and so on.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup. Try saying, with genuine honest neutrality, “all lives matter”, “it’s ok to be white”, or “capitalism doesn’t care about race/gender” and see what happens.
Because there is no "genuine honest neutrality" behind those phrases. They're shibboleths. They're commonly understood slogans, used to indicate what side you're on (or at least what side you're opposed to) while SOUNDING innocent. The people who know, will KNOW what you mean when you say them. (And in the incredibly unlikely situation where you'd somehow been exposed to enough of the discourse to come up with these…
My mother could not be any less exposed to the “discourse,” and yet she has spoken variants of the first two phrases to me. I believe they may just be common sentiments in the Deep South.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup. Try saying, with genuine honest neutrality, “all lives matter”, “it’s ok to be white”, or “capitalism doesn’t care about race/gender” and see what happens.
Because there is no "genuine honest neutrality" behind those phrases. They're shibboleths. They're commonly understood slogans, used to indicate what side you're on (or at least what side you're opposed to) while SOUNDING innocent. The people who know, will KNOW what you mean when you say them. (And in the incredibly unlikely situation where you'd somehow been exposed to enough of the discourse to come up with these…
> they're still terrible concepts that have been roundly denounced on their own merits
Hol' up, "it is ok to be white," is a terrible concept denounced on its own merits? Lol ok
It's a good thing that under Critical Theory, since race is a social construction (that's why Black is supposed to be capitalized, because it refers to the construction, not the color) there's no reason besides being "roundly denounced" (which will happen eventually to you anyway if you're an untermensch White) that you can't be transracial.
I'm not White, I'm a light tan person. Get off my lawn with your racist Theory.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#280Censorship is the battleground, not the issue. The problem isn't censorship per se, it's the weaponization of it. Claiming you can or can't do something is merely projecting how one frames the debate. This issue still stands and the entire argument is moot.