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Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by dahart »

betwixthewires wrote: post #145
dahart wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren’t unlimited, there are 5. Profiles are defined as being in the same household. The reasons are easy to understand, if you think about it. Netflix is providing separate queues and ratings for people who have to share, and household sharing is unavoidable in some cases, such as when using shared devices like ipads or game consoles. Or, you could just visit Netflix.com, where they explain the reasons behind pr…

How is torrenting different from going to the library and borrowing DVD for free? Besides scale and efficiency, in principle, how is tpb different from a library?

Well, for one the library has a legal right to lend the DVD, and it can only lend it one at a time, and the library doesn’t make it’s own copy nor do you (legally). That’s a pretty massive difference. So, not just one but two principled fundamental differences: 1- the library’s actions are legal, and 2- in the library case, no copies are being made by either party.

How does the answer to this question help inform my question?

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by dahart »

tomjen3 wrote: post #115
dahart wrote: post #72

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How is using someone else’s account not piracy?

Netflix has separate profiles under each account. That means they intend it to be used by different people. That those are geographically distributed should really not factor into anything in 2021.

They wrote down what they intend, which is that different people using the profiles of a single account all live in the same household.

What makes you think being geographically distributed shouldn’t matter?

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by vondur »

tomjen3 wrote: post #109
macksd wrote: post #87

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I'm actually curious if the physical device looks any more innocent in Netflix's future policies than straight-up credential sharing. It's still coming from a new IP.

If I have a Netflix account and I (post-pandemic) go to an ANB rental I would be pissed if my account didn't work there. I subscribed the first month Netflix came to Denmark (my country) and I kept the subscription up for a decade until they started to degrade the stream too much. They fixed that and I eventually came back but stuff like that would turn me of for good.

Wow, I’ve never heard of Netflix having reduced the quality of their streaming. When did this start happening?

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

4ggr0 wrote: post #13

The Netflix I pay for is currently used by: Me, Mom, Dad, Grandparents, GF, GFs Mom. Other than myself and my GF, most of the people on this list watch something on Netflix every couple of months, when I or someone/something else recommend them a movie or show. I don't want them to use my profile, because we then obviously can't watch the same things, and it'll break my recommendations. I get why Netflix wants to spl…

Sorry but... For the 2 movies, can't she pay for only 2 months, presuming the recommendation is given in different months?

A movie ticket costs more than netflix. And i'm not a fan if subscriptions.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by betwixthewires »

dahart wrote: post #171
betwixthewires wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is torrenting different from going to the library and borrowing DVD for free? Besides scale and efficiency, in principle, how is tpb different from a library?

Well, for one the library has a legal right to lend the DVD, and it can only lend it one at a time, and the library doesn’t make it’s own copy nor do you (legally). That’s a pretty massive difference. So, not just one but two principled fundamental differences: 1- the library’s actions are legal, and 2- in the library case, no copies are being made by either party. How does the answer to this question help inform my…

These are not differences in principle. These are just practical differences that affect efficiency of distribution of information, with a little moralistic paint on it.

There's no difference in principle between homosexuality in the UK in the 60s and now. But it was illegal then, not now. Something being legal or illegal is not a fundamental difference. Something being fundamentally different can be a reason something should be legal or illegal, but something being illegal cannot be used as a justification that it should be.

As far as copying, looking at the fundamental principle that libraries operate on, that information should be made available to as many people as possible as best we can regardless of their socioeconomic status, the only difference I can find is that torrenting and copying are more efficient than libraries in achieving the stated goal. When libraries do it inefficiently it is regarded as a virtue, when we do it ourselves more efficiently without institutional support we are regarded as thieves. But fundamentally, are they not the exact same thing?

My question addresses yours because the answer, if it is "they're not fundamentally different in principle" which is my position, negates yours entirely, and if you can show me how they're fundamentally different in principle, negates that very powerful and apt criticism of your position. The answer basically determines if you're right or I'm right.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by dahart »

betwixthewires wrote: post #175
dahart wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, for one the library has a legal right to lend the DVD, and it can only lend it one at a time, and the library doesn’t make it’s own copy nor do you (legally). That’s a pretty massive difference. So, not just one but two principled fundamental differences: 1- the library’s actions are legal, and 2- in the library case, no copies are being made by either party. How does the answer to this question help inform my…

These are not differences in principle. These are just practical differences that affect efficiency of distribution of information, with a little moralistic paint on it. There's no difference in principle between homosexuality in the UK in the 60s and now. But it was illegal then, not now. Something being legal or illegal is not a fundamental difference. Something being fundamentally different can be a reason somethi…

I asked what the difference is from a legal perspective, and you’re saying there is no difference in principle when the law changes. That’s clearly a misunderstanding on your part.

Your argument about efficiency is reductionism, it’s completely ignoring copyright and law. I didn’t make the law nor am I defending copyright or the law, but those are absolutely relevant, you can’t pretend they are “moralistic” details and ignore them. At least not if you want your argument to be taken seriously.

> But fundamentally, are they not the exact same thing?

Correct, they are not the exact same thing, not fundamentally, not in principle, and not in practice. Libraries operate on the principle of paying for copies of media in order to loan them out 1 at a time. They do not operate on the principle of making their own copies of media nor on distributing as many copies as possible.

Your answer, in my view, is irrelevant to my unanswered question.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by gt565k »

stanmancan wrote: post #33
gt565k wrote: post #14

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Nah... if you can't justify $10-15 a month, but you spend 10+ hours binge watching, maybe you should get a side hustle or drive uber/lyft. Peanuts cost argument doesn't hold any water.

It’s not just $10-15 since content is spread out over so many services. We pay for: Netflix, Disney+, Apple TV, Hulu, Crunchy Roll, Apple Music.

ok well the problem is you my friend

find a better hobby than watching shows on 10 streaming services

can't complain that a company is trying to make money offering a product...

there's no free lunch

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by gt565k »

d0100 wrote: post #42
gt565k wrote: post #14

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Nah... if you can't justify $10-15 a month, but you spend 10+ hours binge watching, maybe you should get a side hustle or drive uber/lyft. Peanuts cost argument doesn't hold any water.

For someone that has 10+ hours to binge-watch, that time will just be spent on something cheaper-free They won't get extra work because they don't want to, they want to spend 10+ hours having cheap/free fun I know this because I am one of those people, ha!

ok then you forfeit your right to complain

netflix has to pay its employees and turn a profit, it can't offer services for free

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by javagram »

Noted wrote: post #105
javagram wrote: post #98

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In those 3 examples you’d still both file your taxes at the same address and be legally eligible to vote there too. Seems easily distinguished from the case of independent adults who sleep in different homes every night and have separate addresses on all their tax forms, drivers’ license and voting registrations...

So is Netflix going to require tax information on everyone in the household? How can they tell the difference from their end I think is one of the questions being presented

Seems like they aren’t asking for anything in particular for identity verification but just creating a slight annoyance via asking to re-verify.

Facebook does prompt people to upload Photo IDs sometimes but I doubt Netflix wants to get that invasive.

(I had interpreted the question as related to how to interpret the T&C. Agree that ultimately, it’s impossible to enforce the existing T&Cs to the exact letter, although some combination of annoyances and mild shamings might affect user behavior and presumably this is what they are testing.)

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Post by stanmancan »

gt565k wrote: post #177
stanmancan wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not just $10-15 since content is spread out over so many services. We pay for: Netflix, Disney+, Apple TV, Hulu, Crunchy Roll, Apple Music.

ok well the problem is you my friend find a better hobby than watching shows on 10 streaming services can't complain that a company is trying to make money offering a product... there's no free lunch

How am I the problem? I’m simply explaining that it’s not a single subscription. The whole reason people started cutting cable was because they could replace a $100-150/m cable bill with Netflix. Now the content is getting so divided we’re almost back to where we left off.

If you live in a household then it’s easy to run into the situation I explained. I don’t use 5+ streaming services, but the household does because people have different preferences.

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