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How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by doggodaddo78 »

doggodaddo78 wrote: post #37
mc32 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A contributor to the attitude is the caste itself. These kids (huge majority from upper castes) are treated with too much deference at home by the parents, family and society. Since they are served well at home by servants and society when they go to foreign lands their expectations don’t change and they take the baggage with them. Mind you, they’re modulating the behavior a bit abroad because at home it’s even more…

I worked with a dude at a Pac12 who expected rides home because he didn't have a car. I quit after he derisively referred to my friend and his attitude become intolerably obnoxious. This is what happens when someone is raised with 40 servants, becomes a stock broker, and then decides to dabble in medical academia instead. Treat kids like royalty and they will act like they're innately special and deserving more than…

Oh and they were Brahmin with servants.

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Post by WillSlim95 »

OliverJones wrote: post #33

A story. A few years back I worked with an Indian team of developers and testers. They did a great job. Their lead was an IIT graduate. They have two managing partners; one is a secular Hindu and the other a practicing Muslim. Multicultural they are. I went to visit them once. (Always a good idea to personally get to know people who work on your stuff!) They're in Odisha, in the east of India. I asked the group, over…

Not surprised my folks are from the same region and they behave exactly like that. I have heard enough relatives mention SC/ST as a term of derision and simultaneously discussing with other people talk as if the system is dead.

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Post by bluGill »

throwaway123x2 wrote: post #35

Does caste matter for Muslims and Christians in India?

Yes, but how much depends.

If you are part of a tiny sect it matters not at all, the others in your new group are happy to have anyone. If you are part of a very large sect then there is a need to divide into smaller groups because a person can only have so many friends and caste is an the fallback to divide on.

Most people have family of other religion, and so they often do something about family. Sometimes that means other-cast friends in the religion are kept apart from family, sometimes it means they are thrown in the face of family as a way to show how different they are.

I know more about Christian practice than Muslims. I suspect the same logic applies but I'm not sure.

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Post by iamshs »

OliverJones wrote: post #33

A story. A few years back I worked with an Indian team of developers and testers. They did a great job. Their lead was an IIT graduate. They have two managing partners; one is a secular Hindu and the other a practicing Muslim. Multicultural they are. I went to visit them once. (Always a good idea to personally get to know people who work on your stuff!) They're in Odisha, in the east of India. I asked the group, over…

Racism and caste endogamy is very different... caste is violence given stamp of approval through religion, you cannot escape it. Dalits are beheaded for wearing turban, riding a horse, taking their marriage procession from upper caste street. Moreover, it has present day support of the system in India. Hindu saint who classified the castes through his treatise, Manu Smriti, finds his statue in front of Rajasthan High Court.

News from today: Woman married a lower-caste guy, eloped, families lodged missing person complaint in Police, Police found the married couple and handed them over to their families. Woman's brother beheads his brother-in-law, sister hangs herself.

https://twitter.com/ShoaibDaniyal/status/1370344548535177216

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apexkid wrote: post #49

This article is as bullshit at it can get with no proof and random catch phrases on the lines of "ohh blacks are hated in America". Truth is, there is absolutely no place for cast in any top Indian engineering colleges. Millennials and GenZ does not give a single fuck to what the cast of a person is. That too in IITs were 90% students come from middle or poor class of society and have similar lifestyle. There can alw…

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Post by twaybtclong »

blueline wrote: post #56
twaybtclong wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder how he got that idea: > “Chiva,” his uncle said. Goat, the Mexican slang term for black tar heroin. “This is how we make our money.” Cora Indian campesinos grew the poppies in the mountains above Xalisco. They harvested the opium goo from the flowers and sold it to cookers whom Enrique’s uncles knew. A newly cooked kilo of vinegary, sticky chiva would head north in a boom box or a backpack within a couple days…

so mexican people are bad because some guy wrote a book about a town where some mexican people sell drugs? very scientific, thank you Hacker News

They setup an entire heroin network of Domino's like franchises spanning the US. Starting in LA, ultimately spreading all over the country by the early 2000s.

The heroin resurgence came on the back of enterprising Mexicans who took advantage of loose sentencing of small amounts and rampant Oxy addicts looking for alternatives.

> In two years, from 1995 to 1997, Boise’s minor market had a half-dozen crews selling heroin like pizza. But that wasn’t all. From the wiretaps, Ruplinger heard Polla call Phoenix, Ontario, El Monte, Salt Lake, Portland, Billings, Las Vegas, Honolulu. If Boise had a half dozen, how many crews must Denver have? What about Portland? Las Vegas? The heroin cells were like ants in a garden: You didn’t see them unless you got close enough and knew what to look for. Then, even when you stamped them out, more came to take their place.

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Post by thewhitetulip »

apexkid wrote: post #49

This article is as bullshit at it can get with no proof and random catch phrases on the lines of "ohh blacks are hated in America". Truth is, there is absolutely no place for cast in any top Indian engineering colleges. Millennials and GenZ does not give a single fuck to what the cast of a person is. That too in IITs were 90% students come from middle or poor class of society and have similar lifestyle. There can alw…

Extinction??? Seriously??

I had two upper caste members in my Team. Both born after 1993.

How did I know they're upper caste?

They.always.reminded in every sentence

"in us Rajputs" or "in us Bramhins"

I have had 100s of member sin my team otherwise, some surnames which I've never heard before and yet I did not know their caste

Also these upper caste folks make groups based on their castes.

And they never let you forget which caste they belong to.

Every single conversation has to mention what "kulcha" they have back at home.

Caste system is reduced yes but it is not extinct.

Easiest way to see is how Political parties. Check who their top leaders/ministers are except the token Affirmative action hire.

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Post by UncleMeat »

iamshs wrote: post #74
OliverJones wrote: post #33

A story. A few years back I worked with an Indian team of developers and testers. They did a great job. Their lead was an IIT graduate. They have two managing partners; one is a secular Hindu and the other a practicing Muslim. Multicultural they are. I went to visit them once. (Always a good idea to personally get to know people who work on your stuff!) They're in Odisha, in the east of India. I asked the group, over…

Racism and caste endogamy is very different... caste is violence given stamp of approval through religion, you cannot escape it. Dalits are beheaded for wearing turban, riding a horse, taking their marriage procession from upper caste street. Moreover, it has present day support of the system in India. Hindu saint who classified the castes through his treatise, Manu Smriti, finds his statue in front of Rajasthan High…

> Dalits are beheaded for wearing turban, riding a horse, taking their marriage procession from upper caste street.

I mean, that sounds precisely analogous to lynching black people for holding certain kinds of jobs, having wealth, or smiling at a white woman.

I know extremely little about India so it is possible that I am entirely ignorant. But the situations you describe here sound like 1:1 matches to racist violence in the US.

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Post by swa45 »

munchbunny wrote: post #70
dantillberg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "problematic" here? Is it like "sin?" Or maybe "shameful?" How should I read that?

It's the diplomatic synonym for "racist"/"classist"/"sexist"/etc. but it allows you to try to make the claim without having to do the work to specify the claim. In this case, I think the commenter meant "xenophobic", based on the parallels to Trump's rhetoric.

What you’re saying doesn’t track. To folks who mount these cultural hills, racism, classism, and sexism are adjacent to murder in severity. There is no reason to be diplomatic with a person who has offered those ideas. Why would a diplomatic way of making that allegation be necessary?

The correct answer is that it’s a shibboleth to organize, and rally, like-minded people.

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Post by lazyninja987 »

phantom_oracle wrote: post #54

There's a long Wikipedia article that covers this topic entirely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India Some strange observations for me from the article: - There's 200M people in the world born into a life where they are/were considered physically untouchable by other "higher-ranked" people around them - The usage of the label "backwards" in “other backwards classes,” or OBCs. I'll chalk it down to Eng…

how is it different from segregation ?

personally, i am against it. we already have schools which only accept specific religion (muslims, christians) and cross religion interaction is sorely missing and causing a rift right from childhood.

I have much easier solution which can eliminate caste altogether.

When british was signing up Indians for indentured labor in Caribbean, British offered to give fresh set of identity (like witness protection in US) to anyone who agreed to go to Caribbean. every one chose brahmin surnames.

When Indians finally arrived at Caribbean, all Indians were brahmins. when all are brahmins, being a brahmin stopped being special.

Indian government should 1. give an option to change surnames. OR 2. stop recording first name/last name/family name in all official documents. 3. stop recording caste as part of aadhar/official census/all governement documents.

if goal is to have a society with out discrimination, lets start doing it. that should push us towards a caste free society.

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