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Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #71

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Then you get throttled by your ISP

Then people move to Germany for the good internet.

I'm not sure if this is referring to the privacy laws or the internet itself, but the internet connectivity in Germany is dreadful in my experience. Capacity is at its limits, to the point that some flats don't have access to the internet.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #127

This seems simultaneously too intrusive, and yet not intrusive enough to actually benefit law enforcement. They are logging source and destination IPs. But to what end? What can that possibly prove? Surely the vast majority of crime occurs at the application level.

They are slowly boiling the frog (the citizens). This surely will be extended to more data in the future.

How? For TLS connections that is all the information available.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Could I submit freedom of information request to my ISP and be provided with all the details they store about my internet browsing? Unfortunately BT are a private company so sounds unlikely..

I don't know about freedom of information, but I think you could under GDPR for as long that applies to the UK.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #166

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Let's not forget who brought us the wonderful law: Theresa May, as home secretary. Architect of the Windrush scandal, for which she took 0 responsibility. She probably envisioned the Home office doing mass denial of visas based on a lookup of applicant names with IP addresses deemed to be related to terrorist activity.

TM is a plutokleptocratic fascist Tory who sticks it to "the little people" at every opportunity.

And yet she's still not as bad as the current PM.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #128

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Why does anybody other than policing and security agencies need access to this stuff? NHS? Fire and rescue? WHAT? They don't have a role in investigating crime. Okay the fire brigade do post-fire analysis of possible arson etc. but that's not something you need access to somebody's internet history for.

Because the UK is only borderline a free society. It's like asking why does the king of Saudi Arabia need to have the power to jail his subjects for no reason? Why does Putin need to have the right to jail or kill political opponents? The UK doesn't give you right to remain silent (your silence will be used against you), you are compelled to bear witness against yourself (you must surrender passwords), and there are…

... and this is what you get: A lifetime appointee to the house of lords has proposed a curfew for men after 6pm.

https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-baroness-who-sugges...

This idiot (who is clearly making a completely idiotic contraproductive and divisive point, since I'm charitable enough to not take her at face value) is there for life. She can't even be voted out. She's there for life.

But what can you expect from the Green Party? Are they actually competent at what they do in any country?

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

People are apathetic and ill-informed. It is far easier and more enjoyable to believe that Britain is peace- and freedom-loving, which is the continual message from the tabloids, than to keep track of these developments and their implications.

If so, why were they not apathetic and ill-informed a mere then, not even 100 years ago? Certainly people of the time thought Britain was peace- and freedom- loving then, too.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #198

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I disagree. Surveillance isn’t limited to breaking encryption — the Stasi would put cameras in water cans to spy on funerals, drill holes in walls while you were out to spy on you in your own apartment, etc. — and the tech for meatspace surveillance has only gotten smaller and cheaper since the fall of the Wall. Laser microphones in particular are something a high school student could reasonably make with a pocket-mo…

https://f-droid.org/packages/hans.b.skewy1_0/ for the eavesdropping microphones :)

> It works best with a small hardware extension (a small speaker/headphone) to focus the sound on the mic, making it silent its surroundings. An idea how to build it is found in the Menu.

Great when you know where the microphone is but can’t leave the area for a private chat; not so useful when the microphone is any nearby substance that reflects some wavelength and which vibrates enough when exposed to sound that the reflected light can be decoded.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

The average person doesn't understand all our nerd worries.

If I understand correctly, fingerprints were quite the nerdy technology back then. They're not beep boops in a data center, but it takes a high degree of nuance to argue against "if you didn't commit a crime, you have nothing to worry about."

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does anybody other than policing and security agencies need access to this stuff? NHS? Fire and rescue? WHAT? They don't have a role in investigating crime. Okay the fire brigade do post-fire analysis of possible arson etc. but that's not something you need access to somebody's internet history for.

Because the UK is only borderline a free society. It's like asking why does the king of Saudi Arabia need to have the power to jail his subjects for no reason? Why does Putin need to have the right to jail or kill political opponents? The UK doesn't give you right to remain silent (your silence will be used against you), you are compelled to bear witness against yourself (you must surrender passwords), and there are…

well, yes, the UK has many problems including some of the above, but most Western countries are deeply flawed in terms of real freedoms - e.g. US governments routinely murder people (both official "judicial" executions and extra-judicial killings by police), the "patriot" act abridges all sorts of freedoms in the name of terrorism, routine civil forfeiture of random property by police, denial of basic healthcare for many people, abridgement of basic bodily autonomy for women with many states ready to end it entirely if the Supreme Court ever changes it's mind, secret unappealable no-fly lists, everything to do with guantanamo bay or CIA "black sites".

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #122

Has everyone forgotten about Tempora [1], XKEYSCORE [2], PRISM, [3] and the other Snowden revelations [4]? This kind of shit has been going on for at least a decade in various forms. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

As a person from the UK, no I've not forgotten. The difference here (and this is NOT excusing them) is that you've gone from a series of systems which didn't officially exist, accessible from the select few of intelligence agencies and no doubt secure as hell into private ones which are controlled by people like BT. Yep, BT. The same BT who are laying off 10k staff this year because they need to cut costs. This isn't…

Not saying this is a cure all. But we should support British independent media.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/declassified-uk/

https://www.thecanary.co/

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