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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by aembleton »

hnlmorg wrote: post #288
aembleton wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the parties apart from the SNP promised a referendum in their manifesto. The Green party and the Liberal Democrats had it in theirs for about a decade. The referendum was advisory, so it would have been possible for parliament to vote not to enact article 50. But parliament voted for it.

> All of the parties apart from the SNP promised a referendum in their manifesto. The Green party and the Liberal Democrats had it in theirs for about a decade. Not all the parties did. Labour, for example, also didn't. The Greens have always been fiercely pro choice so a referendum falls within their remit and LibDems have often flip flopped around the issue of Europe depending on what seems the most popular alt-vot…

> I do have opinions as to why it wasn't treated as an "advisory" vote but those are just opinions

I'd like to hear them!

Thanks to your comment I re-checked the Labour party manifesto for the 2015 general election and you are right. They do mention a referendum but only in the case of a transfer of power from Britain to the EU:

"Labour will legislate for a lock that guarantees that there can be no transfer of powers from Britain to the European Union without the consent of the British public through an in/out referendum."

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Post by pydry »

thu2111 wrote: post #296
selfhoster11 wrote: post #250

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

>For example you think everyone else thinks the NHS is awesome, because left-wing journalists

Or because 87% of Britons polled said that they are very proud of it.

>you'd be shocked at how little support rail nationalisation would end up having.

56% in favor. 15% actively against. Majority support even by members of the party that was most against it.

>The NHS is a socialist anachronism

This is a popular view among investors & high net worth individuals. The US system is extraordinarily profitable as a mechanism for parasitic wealth extraction and UK based investors are not blind to this. They want some sugar too.

Nonetheless even UK right wing papers owned by those very people shy away from this view. 87% is above the threshold where they feel comfortable contradicting the popular view.

Rail nationalisation was below that threshold and the barclay brothers owned telegraph, for instance, would attack the idea with savage abandon of a rabid dog.

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Post by 02thoeva »

andy_ppp wrote: post #165
02thoeva wrote: post #125

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Not quite, the EU and UK have a draft adequacy agreement in place. Should be signed by the time the transition period ends.

Can you supply a link - the UK would need something like GDPR in law (which we currently have rolled over) for the EU to recognise our laws... it seems like it would be difficult and pointless to change to something that slightly differs from the GDPR only to have to implement all of it's concerns for EU data anyway...

The very article we've commented under makes this point, but if you want to see the specific agreement: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_...

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Post by CodeGlitch »

gmac wrote: post #207
callamdelaney wrote: post #109

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I'm 24 and voted for brexit. In fact I campaigned for it and would do so again. It's really a very poor form to resort to the "dumb old racists voted for brexit hurr".

OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to. The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff. Arguments in favour of Brexit thus tend to boil down to immigration and 'sovereignty'. The…

I voted remain but would vote leave if we were to ever have another referendum. The reason being is that it's clear to me now the direction that the EU is going in (removal of the nation state, EU army).

Actually I think after seeing the vaccine rollout by the EU, many more Brits would vote to leave.

It's interesting how events have turned out.

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Post by thu2111 »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #273
carmen_sandiego wrote: post #219

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I don't. I think I've noted some egregious comments and posted opinions, yes, but my complaint isn't about people having opinions. It's about, for example, the top level comment being gleeful about the sky falling without really having any valuable content. Or another which lazily dismisses this as corruption with no further engagement needed. "I think it's hilarious that Britain will fail. Who agrees?" is not really…

Using quotes to paraphrase your own interpretation of what OP posted (and then ignoring the last sentence which had more meat) is exactly the kind of low value comment you're talking about.

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Post by thu2111 »

james-bcn wrote: post #300
thu2111 wrote: post #296

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The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

I feel like I've lost a few brain cells reading that.

Thanks for making my point for me about how the left react to discovering what other people believe.

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Post by 4cao »

Nursie wrote: post #289
chocmilk wrote: post #278

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Aus's acceptance of authority: * Lockout laws * Jaywalking laws * Weaker environmental protests than UK, despite Aus lagging the rest of the world on environmentalism. * Mandatory helmet laws. * Illegal to perform DIY electrics, e.g. change a plug. * International travel currently banned. To leave Australia at the moment would require either exemption, or I relinquish citizenship. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005…

> Illegal to perform DIY electrics, e.g. change a plug. ?? As someone moving to Australia in a few months, I feel like this is something I ought to know about... > International travel currently banned. This is the same in many countries, including the UK right now.

>> International travel currently banned.

> This is the same in many countries, including the UK right now.

It isn't really. Many countries barred non-resident non-citizens from entering but only a couple went to the extent of attempting to prohibit their own citizens from leaving. The latter restriction is far more draconian.

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Post by CodeGlitch »

gmac wrote: post #272
thinkingemote wrote: post #265

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Most of the EU countries have worrying powerful and popular nationalist political parties which are on the rise. The UK is actually the exception to the growing hate and nationalism in Europe! The benefit of UK in Europe was that it helped curtail the exscesses of the continent. I worry for the EU now as it seems more toxic after Brexit than before.

> The UK is actually the exception to the growing hate and nationalism in Europe! Are you in the UK? I find this a rather peculiar view.

When was the last time you read about the BNP or Combat18? UKIP has gone. Where is the political party that is far right?

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Post by hnlmorg »

thinkingemote wrote: post #249
hnlmorg wrote: post #73

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This is the thing that pissed me off the most about the referendum. The result was touted as an overwhelming majority but in fact the percentages are well within the margin for error on a poll that wasn't very well defined from the outset (ie what "leave" meant was different for different people). The only thing the EU referendum conclusively demonstrated was how easily manipulated people are by the media they consum…

The same argument has been heard from Trump and his followers. Stolen votes, manipulated people. What we need is respect for democracy.

> The same argument has been heard from Trump and his followers. Stolen votes, manipulated people.

I wasn't complaining about stolen votes. Nobody was suggesting election fraud had happened with the EU referendum.

Manipulated people, sure. But there is evidence of that with many of the claims made during the campaigns being proven false (like the Brexit bus slogan and like many of the ads reported here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44966969). There is actually a lot of documented evidence about the misinformation that happened during the referendum on both sides of the debate (https://constitution-unit.com/2016/08/23/fact-checking-and-t...) but it didn't seem to make any difference because you'd often see the same FUD repeated (both for and against Europe) when chatting to people -- be it social media, TV/Radio call in shows or regular face to face conversations with family and friends, etc.

The question of our EU membership was such a complex one that even many experts were littering their statements with caveats and disclaimers. So it wasn't really a topic I'd have expected the layperson to be informed enough to make a good judgement of. And the targeted ads on platforms like Facebook, plus the aforementioned deliberate misinformation campaigns did little to help the situation. So I do think it's fair to call out the result of the referendum as being within a margin of error.

I do agree there have been parallels between the EU referendum and Trump's campaigns (both of them in fact). But you also do need to be careful not to dismiss the credible claims of bad practice because some egotistical oaf also happened to make wild made up claims too. There's definitely a sliding scale of misinformation where some items aren't technically inaccurate but are worded in a way that intentionally misinforms the reader (a practice often seen in click-bait headlines) but on the other end of the scale you'd have statements that are very clearly bullshit (like the Hillary child sex ring "scandal").

It's fair to say the last 5 years has been a real low point for my trust in the democratic process.

> What we need is respect for democracy.

I agree but that respect has to be earned from the campaigners rather than blindly given by the voters.

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Post by dane-pgp »

bb123 wrote: post #226
zimablue wrote: post #183

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Britain handled corona one of the worst in the world, the vaccine thing does seem like a genuine good news story but it’s bolting the door after the old people are all dead. Go back, look at the excess death rates, the extra preparation time the Uk squandered and the rhetoric at the time. Our ruling class have the blood of hundreds of thousands of dead on their hands and it’s astonishing that the entire British publi…

My point wasn't that COVID was handled well, although I think there are more factors than government at play (It would be pretty hard to argue that the US govt has handled COVID better than the UK, so why is there death rate so much lower?). My point was that it is plain to see that the vaccine roll out in the EU has been mired by competing interests and slow bureaucracy, which is exactly what the eurosceptics were c…

Much of the delay that the EU experienced can be attributed to the stricter scrutiny and liability conditions it applied to the vaccines, and the fact that the UK paid more per dose in order to jump to the front of the queue.

If anything, this vindicates the Remainers who claimed that the UK government would become more deregulated and more beholden to corrupt interests.

The EU was faced with an almost impossible set of constraints, either leaving the poorer countries to fend for themselves (and being portrayed as not caring about its ideals of unity and equality), or forcing the richer countries to vastly overpay for the doses of the poorer countries (and being portrayed as a wasteful drain on successful economies).

Of course, it is in the interests of rich countries to help people in poor countries get vaccinated so that they don't become breeding grounds for new variants, especially if those countries have important trade links and free movement with said rich countries, but unfortunately people can get quite selfish during a crisis and not see the bigger picture. This is why we can't have nice things.

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