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Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by toxik »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #172
chmln wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK in a fucking TERMINAL... Because `ctrl-c` sends an interrupt Most terminals today have a copy-on-select feature, which means you don't need to ctrl-c at all. Just select and ctrl-v.

I want to chip in here with a rant of my own because I absolutely fucking hate this feature. The idea that something I think of as a passive action—selecting text—can destructively alter my clipboard makes my skin crawl, and it's baffling that anyone thinks it's a replacement. The thing is it's the default on iTerm2 on the Mac, so every time I set it up I spend a week thinking "why is my clipboard always completely f…

That’s not true, iTerm2 doesn’t overwrite your clipboard. It, like it’s forebears, uses a separate selection buffer. The only way to paste from it is middle mouse button as far as I know.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by Tsiklon »

ideamotor wrote: post #124
beloch wrote: post #12

The difference between Mac and PC keyboards is a real usability problem. If you're used to PC's or Linux, moving to a Mac and dealing with their shortcuts is painful, and vice-versa. The worst is using a mixture of both Mac's and PC's on a daily basis. Moving back and forth between platforms daily means you either have to get used to hitting the wrong shortcuts or use a hack to swap keys around on one platform so you…

I switch very regularly and had difficulty until I begun to just swap out keyboards between macOS and Windows. That somehow ties my muscle memory for each OS much better. I pretty much have exclusive keyboards for different OS even if I use VMs on my laptop. Plus, after much searching, there is not a good non-Apple keyboard for the Mac and the Apple keyboards aren't good for Windows. One example: the right side of of…

It’s not explicitly a Mac layout, but I find the HHKB layout to be quite comfortable for both Mac and Windows. But if you don’t like the home row positioning of the ctrl key you may find it problematic

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by kristofferR »

alisonatwork wrote: post #130
glsdfgkjsklfj wrote: post #105

I will only respect this project if it completely breaks alt+tab on windows and linux to make it useless like OSX, where you cannot go to a specific terminal window. ha! sarcasm aside, I wish there was something that was the exact opposite. I tried to map cltr+c/v on OSX but it doesn't work on some applications, like firefox. And using Switch application that fixes alt+tab to all windows (not programs) for some reaso…

Hear, hear. Alt-Tab is abysmal on Mac. I have no idea why people keep going on about Ctrl-C in the terminal, as if we haven't had terminals on both Windows and UNIX that copy-on-select for 20+ years. Broken Alt-Tab is far bigger impediment to my workflow. I guess you have tried Karabiner-Elements[0] to help remap the keyboard? It's infuriating that it doesn't work properly in all the apps. Especially the browsers all…

https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by matthewmacleod »

toxik wrote: post #181
matthewmacleod wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to chip in here with a rant of my own because I absolutely fucking hate this feature. The idea that something I think of as a passive action—selecting text—can destructively alter my clipboard makes my skin crawl, and it's baffling that anyone thinks it's a replacement. The thing is it's the default on iTerm2 on the Mac, so every time I set it up I spend a week thinking "why is my clipboard always completely f…

That’s not true, iTerm2 doesn’t overwrite your clipboard. It, like it’s forebears, uses a separate selection buffer. The only way to paste from it is middle mouse button as far as I know.

It 100% does. The "Copy to pasteboard on selection" option causes selected text to overwrite whatever's on the clipboard, and I just checked.

It's possible that this isn't enabled by default, but I'm virtually certain it is because it catches me out every time.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by spiralx »

kova12 wrote: post #51
floydnoel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a person who loves Macs and their keyboard shortcuts, I'm really excited to find this project! and as somebody like yourself, who has to work on both platforms (Apple/PC) every day, I'm very happy it exists. would the answer to your problem not be a reciprocal library for Mac that ports over (or makes possible) your preferred shortcuts? I believe this already exists, which should be good news for you.

I empathize with you, but from the other side. I got a Mac at work while being on Linux for a long time; and the differences in keyboard combos are driving me mad, so much that I don't even use said Mac anymore. The differences in keyboard layout are so unnecessary from technical point. The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem. Whoever got that going deserves get a swift ki…

I dislike using Macs for the same reason, when I had one for work I managed to use Karabiner to remap a ton of shortcuts to at least make it tolerable. And by tolerable, I mean "only cursing at the OS every minute or so rather than on every second keyboard combo attempted".

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by qwerty456127 »

quesera wrote: post #65
rubyn00bie wrote: post #55

This is great, btw. Kinto is 100% a sanity saver. Please note the following rant is mostly tongue-in-cheek. 'cuz it turns out, I personally hate how Windows and Linux do things with `ctrl`. Coming from a Mac, my biggest and most consistent annoyance is that the `ctrl` key is fucking useless at best... One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK…

I'm having difficulty parsing your rant. I can't tell if we agree or not. :) Ctrl+C is a method of generating a standard ASCII character which has meant "ETX" (end of text, sometimes "interrupt") for many decades. Other control chars are useful too. In addition to C, I use S, Q, D, Z, V, O, N, I, G, H, M, L, J, Y, A, E, K, W ... probably others ... fairly regularly. So in the early 1980s, along comes MacOS which need…

> "we don't control the hardware and can't add a key, so let's break it all"

But they do control it enough to add the Windows logo key and the context menu key.

I use the Windows logo "Super" key a lot (mostly for workspaces) and I miss the context menu key which is there on my office keyboard but lacks on my laptop (which even has a keypad). Being able to open a context menu without using a mouse is a very useful convenience.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by christophilus »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #55

This is great, btw. Kinto is 100% a sanity saver. Please note the following rant is mostly tongue-in-cheek. 'cuz it turns out, I personally hate how Windows and Linux do things with `ctrl`. Coming from a Mac, my biggest and most consistent annoyance is that the `ctrl` key is fucking useless at best... One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK…

It is indeed frustrating. ElementaryOS gets this mostly right. I wish Elementary was a rolling release distro...

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by kergonath »

ideamotor wrote: post #145
kergonath wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is not a good non-Apple keyboard for the Mac I have been very happy with my successive Matias keyboards over the years.

Ok, I spoke too soon, I see a TKL Matias with ⌘ aligned with X. I may have missed this one because when I search for a replacement I usually focus on mechanical keyboards. The mechanical Matias I see is not aligned so it's not for me at least.

You're right. I never really paid attention to that, actually (my current one is a non-mechanical one, and the X is ~1mm to the left compared to the command key).

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by kergonath »

jamienicol wrote: post #174
kergonath wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The differences in keyboard layout are so unnecessary from technical point. The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem. Surely you’re aware that these keyboard shortcuts have been in use on Macs for about a decade before Linux existed, right?

That's the same argument Emacs developers use to justify alt (sorry, "meta") + w as copy. But it's a terrible argument. (In the Mac case at least using cmd+c is superior, and even works in Emacs!)

The main difference is that command-c makes sense ;)
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