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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

simonh wrote: post #128
boomskats wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unclear whether the 'they' you refer to are the British people, or the class of ruling individuals who know exactly what they're doing and are set to profit immensely. (I'm aware that all sounds quite America-like already)

For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

Most of the "business" leaders who where pro brexit where outliers or ecentric's (Wetherspoons guy) and of course wealthy media tycoons.

The vast majority of the city and other business leaders where asleep at the wheel - what they should have done is had a quiet word with Harry Peirce (MI5) at the club about these dangerous subversives.

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Post by bb123 »

dansimau wrote: post #200
bb123 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the spirit of keeping these comments high quality I'd love engage with you about this. Why do you think that? I'm actually a dual citizen of the UK and Australia and I have to say my experience is that neither country is anything like the US. (Beware when assuming you know who you're talking to on the internet ;) )

I grew up in the city in Australia. Once when I crossed the road (as a pedestrian) at a red light, a police officer on the other side of the street stopped me and gave me a warning for jaywalking. Before I had walked, I had looked both ways and deemed it safe; there was no traffic and no other pedestrians waiting. (In my mind: I am just a person on planet Earth, trying to get from position A to position B, less than…

Haha yes, "revenue based policing". Australia is pretty bad for that. I once got a $300 speeding fine for doing 1kph above the limit. In general though I think policing in Australia is still very different to the states. Police in the US inspire fear. They just don't in the UK and Australia.

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Post by throwaway210222 »

Daho0n wrote: post #189
throwaway210222 wrote: post #25

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Exactly, once Europe realises that the USA's 2018 Cloud Act makes its *impossible* for every USA registered cloud provider, every Office 365 account, every Google doc, every Gmail account, and every Dropbox account to be GDPR compliant, it will just quietly fade away. A nice idea, but no one will care that much.

All those are "fading away" in every area of enterprise I have seen that deal with private data. When GDPR is causing US states to follow suit and create GDPR-like laws I'd say it is the US's woefully bad privacy laws that are fading the most. Of course I don't believe for a second that it will matter inside the US but that is not the EU's problem.

With secret FISA courts, the is no way you will ever be able to know.

You have no idea who they have approached, nor what they have asked [= insisted] for.

And to be clear, because of the CLOUD Act, this reaches all EU citizens on US owned platforms.

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

benwad wrote: post #87
sverhagen wrote: post #62

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I have no doubt you're right, but I'm just not familiar with the specific details. What are some real ways they stand to "profit immensely"?

Lowering taxes, lowering regulatory and environmental standards, and undoing workers' rights legislation can all increase the wealth of those who are already wealthy. I'm not saying all of those things are in the pipeline, but they've all been proposed by pro-Brexit politicians (and this article is one example of lowering regulatory standards).

Oh and second amendment style gun rights too

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Post by tubularhells »

l33tman wrote: post #49
killtimeatwork wrote: post #17

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I work in an large euroepan enterprise and our GDPR compliance is... absymal. And we're not even investing that much into becoming more compliant. My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions.

Please tell us the name of that European enterprise that breaches the GDPR and we can put the EU enforcement procedures to a test :) Let's call it an experiment..

YCombinator does business in Europe and doesn't adhere to GDPR on HN, for a start.

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Post by shrew »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #195
shrew wrote: post #178

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Okay, fair point, they might just re-include the UK in whatever exclusion list they have and that'll be that. But since GDPR came into force, others have followed suit, several other countries have begun implementing similar legislation. This is anecdata, so fair warning, but over the last year (at a guess) I've noticed many US sites, FAANG companies but also smaller sites too, all flashing cookie/data protection typ…

I'm pretty sure those hyper-annoying multiple-popup flows that happen on YouTube, Google search, etc. are completely localized. Yes it adds complexity, but the size of the markets and companies involved means there's a massive leverage effect. If you get 1,000 people landing on your homepage, small changes in conversion don't justify engineering time or complexity, true. If you've got billions of users, engineering c…

Very true, for a big company, the time may well be worth it, particularly for the likes of FAANG where they have UK branches of their company.

I suppose my only counter left would be "is the UK market alone worth the complexity?" Having split off from Europe, and in-fighting among ourselves to the point where we may see the UK itself splitting up again in the next decade. Is it really worth adding additional complexity for a comparatively small market when companies could simply target the continent of Europe as a single market, regardless of EU membership, and probably reach a similar audience with a similar conversion rate.

I'm probably being overly cynical and only time will tell, but I just don't feel the UK alone commands the importance to have things its own way, so to me being lumped in with the EU as the lowest common denominator seems inevitable.

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Post by tubularhells »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #25
killtimeatwork wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in an large euroepan enterprise and our GDPR compliance is... absymal. And we're not even investing that much into becoming more compliant. My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions.

Exactly, once Europe realises that the USA's 2018 Cloud Act makes its *impossible* for every USA registered cloud provider, every Office 365 account, every Google doc, every Gmail account, and every Dropbox account to be GDPR compliant, it will just quietly fade away. A nice idea, but no one will care that much.

Big talks for a throwaway account.

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Post by chocmilk »

dansimau wrote: post #200
bb123 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the spirit of keeping these comments high quality I'd love engage with you about this. Why do you think that? I'm actually a dual citizen of the UK and Australia and I have to say my experience is that neither country is anything like the US. (Beware when assuming you know who you're talking to on the internet ;) )

I grew up in the city in Australia. Once when I crossed the road (as a pedestrian) at a red light, a police officer on the other side of the street stopped me and gave me a warning for jaywalking. Before I had walked, I had looked both ways and deemed it safe; there was no traffic and no other pedestrians waiting. (In my mind: I am just a person on planet Earth, trying to get from position A to position B, less than…

> Having now lived in the UK and Netherlands for over 10 years, I feel this would never happen here.

It wouldn't happen in the UK because jaywalking is not a crime in UK.

Quiet Australians accept authority moreso than UK folk.

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Post by carmen_sandiego »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #199
carmen_sandiego wrote: post #122

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I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

I hope you realise you're also describing your contribution to this debate.

I don't. I think I've noted some egregious comments and posted opinions, yes, but my complaint isn't about people having opinions. It's about, for example, the top level comment being gleeful about the sky falling without really having any valuable content. Or another which lazily dismisses this as corruption with no further engagement needed.

"I think it's hilarious that Britain will fail. Who agrees?" is not really what I consider a good seed comment. It's fine to think Britain will fail, but at least provide something for people to discuss with you.

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Post by Daho0n »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #161

Seems there's a reason reputable news outlets aren't reporting this: > The government has sent a first signal of its intention for UK data protection laws to part company with the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation. In a Financial Times article last week, culture secretary Oliver Dowden said he would use the appointment of a new information commissioner to focus not just on privacy but on the use of data for ‘ec…

But we do:

>The UK has the freedom to strike its own partnerships, he said, and he would announce priority countries for data adequacy agreements shortly

Either he recant that comment or announce a country (the US I bet) that doesn't have an adequacy agreement with the EU. You can't have it both ways. If he does announce a list that isn't the same as the EU's they'll have scrapped GDPR.

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