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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by himinlomax » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:31 AM UTC

killtimeatwork wrote: post #17

james-bcn wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you work in enterprise it absolutely has made a big difference.

I work in an large euroepan enterprise and our GDPR compliance is... absymal. And we're not even investing that much into becoming more compliant. My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions.

> My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions.

It may cost some money, but not that much by far. The reality is that in the long term, you'd save some as well by virtue of having clearer, cleaner and simpler processes.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by adflux » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:32 AM UTC

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

We'll see.

Seems like not being part of a larger "union" has allowed them to start vaccinating at 3 times the pace of its European neighbours. Historically, power removed further from the people does not benefit the people. There are very few "economies of scale" in politics. As the system grows larger, accountability becomes more difficult and decision making is harder and harder.

Nice example is Iceland. after the 2008 crash. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-03-31/welcome-t...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by spiderfarmer » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:32 AM UTC

callamdelaney wrote: post #100

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

In terms of economy why not? The USA is equal in GDP to the entire EU, and it seems much more efficient to deal with them, an actual country, than 27 odd countries whom all have their own agenda and are masquerading as one country. Of course it's very fashionable on the internet to shit on brexit. "haha brits be dumb cus independent" - I can only imagine what sort of insecurity you're dealing with about your own coun…

Yes, "In terms of economy" why not.

Just ignore every other benefit of the EU to make your case.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by oytis » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:32 AM UTC

DangerousPie wrote: post #101

oytis wrote: post #85

Well, we'll see. The pandemic has shown that tracking can be a huge economic advantage - and it's likely not the last pandemic we encounter. OTOH targeting adtech can redirect resources to some more potentially useful areas.

I don't think GDPR applies to governments anyway, does it?

But you don't necessarily want tracking infrastructure being built by governments completely, that would be pretty inefficient. As far as I understand the China case at least (I'm not an expert here though, and have never been to China), it's largely started with a commercial app (WeChat).

Not to say that the necessary technology (big data, ML etc.) is to a great extent driven by commercial applications - and businesses should have economic incentives to develop them further.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by m12k » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:32 AM UTC

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’

TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by bb123 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:32 AM UTC

callamdelaney wrote: post #100

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

In terms of economy why not? The USA is equal in GDP to the entire EU, and it seems much more efficient to deal with them, an actual country, than 27 odd countries whom all have their own agenda and are masquerading as one country. Of course it's very fashionable on the internet to shit on brexit. "haha brits be dumb cus independent" - I can only imagine what sort of insecurity you're dealing with about your own coun…

I agree. I didn't vote for Brexit but it is hard to see how the pro-Brexit crowd haven't been vindicated with the vaccine roll out.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by KingOfCoders » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:33 AM UTC

callamdelaney wrote: post #100

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

In terms of economy why not? The USA is equal in GDP to the entire EU, and it seems much more efficient to deal with them, an actual country, than 27 odd countries whom all have their own agenda and are masquerading as one country. Of course it's very fashionable on the internet to shit on brexit. "haha brits be dumb cus independent" - I can only imagine what sort of insecurity you're dealing with about your own coun…

GDP - the most gamed and politicized metric on earth. Battling it out at the top of gamed metrics with unemployment rate.

We'll see if this is still the economic "gold standard" to compare countries when China overturns the US in GDP.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by viraptor » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:33 AM UTC

lanevorockz wrote: post #48

CryptoPunk wrote: post #29

I hope the UK follows through with its 'Singapore-on-Thames' plan, which requiring losing regulatory harmonization with the EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore-on-Thames

Let’s be honest, it’s not up to the UK alone. The EU still has strong world influence and they will try to stop it at any cost.

Why do you think so? What do you think EU has to gain from UK doing badly? And I mean in practice, economically - we're way past the time "told you so" is relevant.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by krageon » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:33 AM UTC

DangerousPie wrote: post #101

oytis wrote: post #85

Well, we'll see. The pandemic has shown that tracking can be a huge economic advantage - and it's likely not the last pandemic we encounter. OTOH targeting adtech can redirect resources to some more potentially useful areas.

I don't think GDPR applies to governments anyway, does it?

It does not and it never has.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by noir_lord » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:33 AM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way.

One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up".

I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though.

Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the consequences of something we didn't vote for (49 and younger voted remain getting more strongly remain as you go younger) - it's absolutely frustrating.