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Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by Silhouette »

londons_explore wrote: post #31

I would like to see this data collected and published . Data you send out over the internet unencrypted doesn't have an expectation of privacy. Yet lots of people assume stuff like this is private. The only way to close the gap is to publish the data so everyone can see exactly what they and others are inadvertently telling the world.

This monitoring is primarily about metadata, which is necessarily not encrypted anyway. The concern that most people aren't aware of how much data they're leaking may be justified, but unless you're planning to redesign the Internet, exposing it isn't going to help much.

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Post by csunbird »

jl6 wrote: post #127

This seems simultaneously too intrusive, and yet not intrusive enough to actually benefit law enforcement. They are logging source and destination IPs. But to what end? What can that possibly prove? Surely the vast majority of crime occurs at the application level.

They are slowly boiling the frog (the citizens). This surely will be extended to more data in the future.

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Post by morrbo »

mathw wrote: post #128
morrbo wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person from the UK, no I've not forgotten. The difference here (and this is NOT excusing them) is that you've gone from a series of systems which didn't officially exist, accessible from the select few of intelligence agencies and no doubt secure as hell into private ones which are controlled by people like BT. Yep, BT. The same BT who are laying off 10k staff this year because they need to cut costs. This isn't…

Why does anybody other than policing and security agencies need access to this stuff? NHS? Fire and rescue? WHAT? They don't have a role in investigating crime. Okay the fire brigade do post-fire analysis of possible arson etc. but that's not something you need access to somebody's internet history for.

Yep, food standards Scotland could call up TalkTalk and ask for a copy of my browsing history. This is assuming its not been leaked because they got hacked by a 16 year old script kiddy *again*.

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Post by yrgulation »

ricardobayes wrote: post #126
eecc wrote: post #113

What I don’t get is this: our governments - “ours” being the group of parliamentary democracies - routinely diss authoritarian ones such as China - and rightfully so - for their violations against human rights, among which that to habeas corpus, privacy, and reasonable suspicion. To the point that we agonized over and sabotaged contact tracing apps, which could have helped a lot in fighting COVID, over claims to priv…

In my view privacy has more layers. It has layers of personal data (name, social security, medical records), user-produced data (your family photos), communication (chat) and metadata (ad tracking). Lately I have seen ad tracking put in the same group as personal data. I don't think they deserve the same level of protection. I think total privacy is fools' gold. We always ask for total transparency from our governmen…

But who are “they” to “ask even a little of it from us”. With all due respect but this sounds as if “they” are not the people we send there to manage _our_ countries, but rather a cast of all loving all watching overloads that we should feed a bit of our freedoms now and then to keep us fed, safe and well. And we all know how that worked in history.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by yew »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #124
yew wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to break it to you, but Greenwald is just another "I was a teenage leftist" Republican getting ready for his book tour. He's been pandering to Trump supporters for a few years now... He's a terrible example to cite if you want to support the actual left.

"People's Front of Judea"

I mean, he has started spreading TERF propaganda on Twitter (because those particular brainworms always infect the new converts, for whatever reason). That and the Trump thing aren't minor ideological differences - they're fundamental, irreconcilable conflicts. There's no future for them.

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Post by jozvolskyef »

mathw wrote: post #128
morrbo wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person from the UK, no I've not forgotten. The difference here (and this is NOT excusing them) is that you've gone from a series of systems which didn't officially exist, accessible from the select few of intelligence agencies and no doubt secure as hell into private ones which are controlled by people like BT. Yep, BT. The same BT who are laying off 10k staff this year because they need to cut costs. This isn't…

Why does anybody other than policing and security agencies need access to this stuff? NHS? Fire and rescue? WHAT? They don't have a role in investigating crime. Okay the fire brigade do post-fire analysis of possible arson etc. but that's not something you need access to somebody's internet history for.

The NHS investigate people for abusing their authority as medical professionals. I don't know how they divide the work with the police, but they do have their own people for investigations.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by bambataa »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #58
cm2187 wrote: post #4

Is a datacentre considered an ISP in this respect? Between vpns and just remote desktoping into a VM, it seems trivial to circumvent to real criminals while being a privacy nightmare to the rest of the population. There is a probability 1.000 that this data will be abused.

What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

People are apathetic and ill-informed.

It is far easier and more enjoyable to believe that Britain is peace- and freedom-loving, which is the continual message from the tabloids, than to keep track of these developments and their implications.

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Post by intricatedetail »

eecc wrote: post #113

What I don’t get is this: our governments - “ours” being the group of parliamentary democracies - routinely diss authoritarian ones such as China - and rightfully so - for their violations against human rights, among which that to habeas corpus, privacy, and reasonable suspicion. To the point that we agonized over and sabotaged contact tracing apps, which could have helped a lot in fighting COVID, over claims to priv…

Western governments project. They accuse enemy of something while doing the very thing. In the end humans in power develop the same desires and aim to fulfil them regardless of political framework.
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