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Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by yomly »

zo1 wrote: post #97
brokenmachine wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average person doesn't understand all our nerd worries.

Neither does this specific "nerd". I honestly have yet to be convinced; a lot of it seems very similar to fear mongering and illogical with the arguments being very nebulous. Maybe I have yet to sit down and flesh it out with a deep privacy advocate.

Not that long ago the most powerful and free country in the world was engulfed in chaos after the killing of George Floyd.

The event was polarising and you had your anti-rioter camp and anti-police camp. It should not be hard to see how there would have been direct chains of command on either side which could facilitate data misuse.

If you want a hard example, look at Hong Kong: protestors getting arrested via all manner of tracking, but also police's family being doxxed by protestors.

Also see Belarus and now Myanmar.

Things are all fine and dandy, until they aren't.

This is why you need checks and balances.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by JdeBP »

asix66 wrote: post #41

https://web.archive.org/web/20210311232132/https://www.ispre... Because the real link has too many redirects behind my pihole. ;-)

You could read the original article in Wired instead. (-:

* https://www.wired.co.uk/article/internet-connection-records-...

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by [deleted] »

nkellenicki wrote: post #75
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

Because it's abstract. The people aren't _actively_ having to do anything, such as hand over their records - it's happening away from them. It's hard to connect with abstract. It's easier for people to connect with the reason _for_ doing it. Stop the terrorists, it may happen to you, etc. But the other way round is harder because it's invisible and you can live your life without caring. Even the warnings fall on deaf…

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by inglor_cz »

nkellenicki wrote: post #75
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

Because it's abstract. The people aren't _actively_ having to do anything, such as hand over their records - it's happening away from them. It's hard to connect with abstract. It's easier for people to connect with the reason _for_ doing it. Stop the terrorists, it may happen to you, etc. But the other way round is harder because it's invisible and you can live your life without caring. Even the warnings fall on deaf…

In a similar way, withholding of income tax feels much more painless than having to pay it in full backwards in April, or even several times a year.

There is a good chance that if everyone had to pay their income tax manually, the tax burden would shift quite a bit.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by JdeBP »

ketamine__ wrote: post #95

Would constantly opening and closing connections use an insane amount of storage?

My educated guess would be no. There are some fairly obvious compression and junk filtering techniques, and the size of the record presented as an example is a lot smaller than a cat video file. (-:

Of course, a computer trying to hide like that would also raise a red flag.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by hansel_der »

gorgoiler wrote: post #68
Havoc wrote: post #40

>The IPAct effectively prohibits ISPs from talking about much of this How very democratic and transparent of them Kinda in two minds about this...tempted to implement a VPN to a VPS but not super keen on killing my gbps speeds.

If you have the budget for gigabit connectivity then you have the budget for hardware-offloaded VPN. Cryptography is fast and cheap enough to handle SSD encryption — it’s plenty fast enough to handle your network traffic too. The only downside is the packet overhead. Can you survive going from 1500 down to 1420 bytes per packet? (Yes.)

while i technically agree, i think it's worth noting that gbps internet connections are available for cheap (<40$/mon) in many countries and on the other side a gbps-vpn is far from a trivial task especially if it leaves your country to terminate in another jurisdiction.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by bennysonething »

zo1 wrote: post #97
brokenmachine wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average person doesn't understand all our nerd worries.

Neither does this specific "nerd". I honestly have yet to be convinced; a lot of it seems very similar to fear mongering and illogical with the arguments being very nebulous. Maybe I have yet to sit down and flesh it out with a deep privacy advocate.

I understand the need for wire tapping and for the police to be able to do their job. What I don't understand is the no need for a warrant. Also the list of public bodies who can access this data includes the health and safety executive, the pensions regulator, the environment agency.

I see no reason why bodies like this can have access to sensitive data about individuals without requiring a warrant.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/...

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