You can't dialog with fascist.
You can dialog with fascists, monarchists, communists, anarcho-sydicalists, theocrats, trans-human techno utopianists, and those who welcome our insect overlords.
You can't tweet at them though.
You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
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#42You can't dialog with fascist.
1) What metric do you use to define fascists?
2) How do you determine that a specific person you're dealing with can be specifically categorized into that bucket?
3) Are you calling them that name because it accurately defines that person's identity and behavior or is it because this tag is a really easy tag to slap onto people so you can deal with them very easily without having to think too much..
Like if I call someone a simp, beyond me insulting him and conveying I don't like him, it doesn't really mean anything..
not like he's going to become one (whatever that would mean) because I called him that..
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#43Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#44My reading from the outside is, the left needs to realize (I'm sure it applies to the right equally as well) that scolding people into guilt is not a viable approach to affect action or to change perceptions when you're dealing with adults. Neither does boxing people into this, that and that category do any good. Like if all you want to do is dehumanize those guys so you can happily insult / hurt them without hurting…
The first is actually the fabric that modern society relies upon.
The second is what you are doing in your post.
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#45You can't dialog with fascist.
Science. Science is an excellent framework. This is where what you call “fascists” try to lead you all the time. We revert to science because leftist don’t recognize our lived experiences don’t seem to matter to you (e.g. a daughter raped by people who should have been already in prison, was liberated out of ideology, and said he had no good intention in our country), so we come back to statistics to try to sort the emotions out of rational thinking. It is as if leftists didn’t recognize our emotion towards the rape victim, so we come back to factual things.
Science is an excellent framework, leftists are very good at it when it’s about criticizing the opponent, and we are very good at it when we want to criticize the PC of the moment. Now we need to converge.
Please don’t despair. Please don’t give up discussing and trying to sort out truth from pollution.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#46You can't dialog with fascist.
If you encounter a fascist in the morning, you encountered a fascist. If you run into fascists all day long, you’re probably the fascist.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#47Like most of these rants against "censorship" they skip over people's rights to restrict speech as a form of speech itself: there is no moral (or legal) right to give people you disagree with a forum or audience to express their view. Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond. If there is some notion…
“Free speech” in the moral sense is exactly that people who operate civil infrastructure shouldn’t use their privilege for censorship. So... people who believe in “free speech” as a moral value will disagree with your first paragraph — and hence, your entire post. You assume your conclusion, so your argument fails to be persuasive. “I disagree with what you say, but I’ll fight to the death to defend your right to say…
I guess you have a problem with news editorial decisions then? For example, Fox News have a strong bias running through their programming. Isn't that a kind of implicit censorship of ideas?
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#48You can't dialog with fascist.
Wow, all these Mussolini fans. Who knew?
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#49Like most of these rants against "censorship" they skip over people's rights to restrict speech as a form of speech itself: there is no moral (or legal) right to give people you disagree with a forum or audience to express their view. Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond. If there is some notion…
If you are calling to silence people then you don’t believe in free speech. Simple as that.
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#50According to the authors logic, we should stop censoring fraud, false advertisement, child grooming, defamation, doxxing, false testimony, etc. because "it doesn't work" and "erodes free speech". This is clearly nonsense. It works, and it should be done, the only question as with all laws is were the line should be.
We restrict freedom in general when it hurts other people (slavery, rape, killing, trespassing,etc) and we don't go around crying about slippery slopes and lack of freedom for it.
Clear examples of good censoring of free speech are the courts decision in the Alex Jones - Sandy Hook case and the Washington Post paying reparations to Nathan Phillips (the child mocking the native American). In both cases their "free speech" caused damage to people and the court decided that they didn't were protect under the free speech laws.