Why didn't they just do what the US Gov did? Snoop but not tell anyone. Certainly would have saved them some grief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...
Because we, unlike the Americans, have article 8 protections.
Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Congress then really outdid themselves by focusing all legislation on telephone calls (as if anyone younger than 60 even cares about that part) and leaving the internet snooping untouched. Really fantastic misdirection.
Ahh, but it’s actually very clever: young terrorists use phone calls to communicate figuring all the normal means are being spied upon whereas nobody uses the phone anyway so it won’t be spied on. Diabolical!
right, so just put surveilance on anyone ordering new land line phone service. problem solved
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#63Why didn't they just do what the US Gov did? Snoop but not tell anyone. Certainly would have saved them some grief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...
Because we, unlike the Americans, have article 8 protections.
You have a piece of paper, America has a piece of paper, but neither of them are worth anything if the protections to declare are not upheld. The repurcussions for violating those protections are more trivial than traffic violations.
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#64“If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking is freedom” --Eisenhower (b. 1890)
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#65i'm not as concerned as i might be. My rather meager understanding, which may be entirely baseless, is, that unlike the NSA which is obsessive about collecting every single scrap of data (and many large chunks), the UK intelligence services are rather more discerning. Again, i would be happy for someone to correct me, that's just the general impression i get.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The actual left is generally against that sort of thing, and even significant factions on the right don't want the kind of government control, what you should be concerned about are liberal centrist people.
I think what you mean by "actual" left is probably more accurately described as libertarian left as apposed to authoritarian left. Both are real.
"left" and "right" are nearly devoid of meaning once you go beyond "the bickering between two most popular teams in a country"
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#67>The IPAct effectively prohibits ISPs from talking about much of this How very democratic and transparent of them Kinda in two minds about this...tempted to implement a VPN to a VPS but not super keen on killing my gbps speeds.
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#68>The IPAct effectively prohibits ISPs from talking about much of this How very democratic and transparent of them Kinda in two minds about this...tempted to implement a VPN to a VPS but not super keen on killing my gbps speeds.
If you have the budget for gigabit connectivity then you have the budget for hardware-offloaded VPN.
Cryptography is fast and cheap enough to handle SSD encryption — it’s plenty fast enough to handle your network traffic too.
The only downside is the packet overhead. Can you survive going from 1500 down to 1420 bytes per packet? (Yes.)
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#69Is a datacentre considered an ISP in this respect? Between vpns and just remote desktoping into a VM, it seems trivial to circumvent to real criminals while being a privacy nightmare to the rest of the population. There is a probability 1.000 that this data will be abused.
This is politics, who cares about a few people doing bad stuff... If the shit hits the fan, you want to know the political stance of all the citizens, and who the troublemakers will be, if something large is happening. ...and for that, it's enough to know which political sites they're visiting, even if you don't know the content itself.
The fan was hit Jan 6 and no one in power really cared.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rest sure things like masscan and file sharing will be singled out and excluded from long term storage. If I recall correctly there is a process called massive volume reduction by which you filter out “uninteresting stuff”. It’s not a bad idea, but you’ll need something more sophisticated.
>If I recall correctly there is a process called massive volume reduction by which you filter out “uninteresting stuff”. So all you have to do to avoid surveillance is to make a bunch of connections so the system gets overwhelmed and ignores you?
No. It drops the junk and tags you as an person of interest.