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The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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> I personally tend to lean more on the right here because I went to an "elite" institution and saw firsthand, plenty of times, the same kind of totalitarian ideological bullying and groupthink that the article describes. I hear this kind of claims many times, and it always confuses me because I've had quite the opposite experience. I've just received an AB from an "elite" institution (the one pictured in the Substac…

> What probably puzzles me the most, however, is that some of the forms of oppression that Bari Weiss talks about are so foreign to me that I really wonder whether I've been living in the same educational system as the one she describes. Here is a FIRE survey of 1250 students on the topic of freedom of expression, sliced by field of study, race, and political leaning: https://www.thefire.org/research/publications/stu…

From FIRE on the current state of US academia:

> Nevertheless, freedom of speech is under continuous threat at many of America’s campuses, pushed aside in favor of politics, comfort, or simply a desire to avoid controversy. As a result, speech codes dictating what may or may not be said, “free speech zones” confining free speech to tiny areas of campus, and administrative attempts to punish or repress speech on a case-by-case basis are common today in academia. FIRE, as a free speech nonprofit organization, fights against this sort of censorship in academia.

> Liberty cannot exist when people are forced to conform their thoughts and expression to an official viewpoint. Differences of opinion are the natural byproducts of a vibrant, free society. At many of our nation’s colleges and universities, however, students are expected to share a single viewpoint on hotly debated matters like the meaning and significance of diversity, the definition of social justice, and the impermissibility of “hate speech.” Mandatory “diversity training,” in which students are instructed in an officially-approved ideology, is common. Some institutions have enacted policies that require students to speak and even share approved attitudes on these matters or face disciplinary charges.

https://www.thefire.org/about-us/mission/

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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> It seems to me that a lot of the problem is that there is currently no conservative position on social justice to counterbalance progressive positions. On the contrary, the conservative position on actual social justice is the mainstream view of social justice. The very notion of it ultimately comes from conservative (namely catholic) social thought. The fake ideology of Woke so-called "Social Justice(tm)" is about…

You answered the question posed above you with your opinion, your post is devoid of facts. You failed to answer the question - what is the conservative opinion on social justice, but rather claimed that it's the mainstream view. There is nothing in your post to back it up, let alone provide proof that a mainstream view even exists.

The same is true of harimaru777's post. Why single out zozbot234's post to get all debate-standards-of-technicalities huffy about? It makes you look like you have a one-sided axe to grind.

And, if we're really going to get technical, nobody asked a question. Both harimaru777 and zozbot234 gave opinions, but nobody posed a question to be answered.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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I don't think that you can necessarily say that someone who operates in a capitalist system is a capitalist. In many cases people do not have a choice what system they live in and they may be actively advocating for a change to a different system. Quibbling about what economic system Venezuela and Denmark have is playing semantics. The fact is, what mainstream leftists are advocating for is something more like Denmar…

Denmark has no minimum wage law. The welfare system has been reformed and is not as generous as in the 80s. It’s a very homogenous country. On the other hand they are big on labor unions, so there is that. Most importantly it’s a capitalist country. It’s not socialist. Or as the locals call it it’s the Nordic model. If mainstream leftists want the Nordic model which is capitalist, they would not be ashamed of capital…

> Denmark has seen a steady increase in immigration over the past 30 years, with the majority of new immigrants originating from non-Western countries. As of 2014, more than 8 percent of the population of Denmark consists of immigrants. The population of immigrants is approximately 476,059, excluding Danish born descendants of immigrants to Denmark. This recent shift in demographics has posed challenges to the nation as it attempts to address religious and cultural difference, employment gaps, education of both immigrants and their descendants, spatial segregation, crime rates and language abilities.

If the capitalist rightists only admitted that it likes to import cheap non-unionized labor to get factory rich. Instead it flirts with xenophobia (imported labour problems unequally damages low-middle class blue-collar jobs so these vote right), and the left becomes pro-immigration by opposition and because it is progressive, unwilling to even name the problems. Why is that? Too many levels above my understanding.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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The article references the educational content in question. Did you miss that? "Redesigning the 11th grade US History course from a critical race theory perspective" https://www.hw.com/pdf/Anti-RacismatHarvard-Westlake.pdf

It’s a way of examining things. You know, critical thinking... https://www.edweek.org/leadership/opinion-no-critical-race-t...

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Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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You mean the time when slavery was common throughout the world, and that literally every spot on planet earth was fundamentally ethnocentric? So yes, if we want to talk about racial issues during the foundation of America and world history, then sure, but it has not so much to do with America and also, it has little to with White Supremacy and more to do with Ethnocentrism. Literally today in 2021, in almost every si…

You mentioned "any time in history", and for most of its history, the US was explicitly a white supremacist state. Legal segregation only ended in the 1960s. Yes, other places in the world were like this, but that's irrelevant, isn't it?

I think the exchange got off on the wrong foot. I think the point to be made is that American history being seen as simply a history of racism and white supremacy is a new thing, and a sad thing. Because, as you know, other things happened here.
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