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Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Perhaps because they've doubled their streaming service's cost, reduced their content amount and availability, and are now properly warning they are going to be cracking down on geographically distant usage by users of the same account. At this point I'm paying 20 USD/m for Netflix, roommate for HBOMax, friend's password (via reciprocal sharing) for Disney+, and our online TV service, which my elderly disabled mother…

> geographically distant usage by users of the same account But that's just it. A Netflix account isn't valid "for you and anyone you think it is". It's valid only for people in the same household. The thing they are cracking down on is people using the account in a way that they were never supposed to.

If your account is usable by 2 people of the same household and 1 moves out and continued paying half of of the Netflix bill... would you expect them to be booted out? So how does Netflix make a differentiation?

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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How is using someone else’s account not piracy?

If you can't share accounts, why can you create a seemingly unlimited amount of profiles?

They aren’t unlimited, there are 5. Profiles are defined as being in the same household. The reasons are easy to understand, if you think about it. Netflix is providing separate queues and ratings for people who have to share, and household sharing is unavoidable in some cases, such as when using shared devices like ipads or game consoles.

Or, you could just visit Netflix.com, where they explain the reasons behind profiles. “Profiles allow different members of your household to have their own personalized Netflix experience. You can have up to 5 profiles on a single Netflix account.” https://help.netflix.com/en/node/10421

Sharing accounts outside of a household is stealing. I fail to see a big difference between that and any other form of illegal downloads where one person pays and someone else copies. I got some downvotes but nobody bothered to answer the question: how is using someone’s account who doesn’t live with you different in practice from torrenting, from a legal perspective?

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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And three roommates splitting rent pay less than the person who lives in a three bedroom apartment alone. If it really bothers you, get a few people to pay you a few bucks to be included in your "household" and use your netflix account with you the same way that apartment owner sublets the extra rooms.

>If it really bothers you, get a few people to pay you a few bucks to be included in your "household" and use your netflix account with you the same way that apartment owner sublets the extra rooms. But I can't do that - this is exactly what the article is saying Netflix is now starting to take action against, and it is already against their TOS.

You're restricted to sharing with people in your household, but you get to define who is in your household.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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The Netflix I pay for is currently used by: Me, Mom, Dad, Grandparents, GF, GFs Mom. Other than myself and my GF, most of the people on this list watch something on Netflix every couple of months, when I or someone/something else recommend them a movie or show. I don't want them to use my profile, because we then obviously can't watch the same things, and it'll break my recommendations. I get why Netflix wants to spl…

> Don't really know what I should think about this to be honest...

Ultimately, piracy is the only remaining option. Because the company has decided it's going to brand you a pirate anyway.

It costs maybe 11$/mo to hire a seedbox running plex that can store whatever media you would want to watch. While it's not next-day or same-day in most cases, in my experience it covers basically everything you would want to watch, along with collaborative watching, which is a perk netflix does not have.

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This just gives piracy yet another advantage. The article clearly mentions that credentials sharing is currently used as a mitigation to the balkanization of streaming services, allowing the cost of all major subscriptions to be spread across several people, essentially bringing down the per-person cost to a reasonable, single subscription's cost. Cracking down on this doesn't mean people will start paying, they will…

My mom and grandma currently share my Netflix account. If Netflix cracks down on it they aren't going to start torrenting, but will either get their own subscriptions or not watch Netflix at all. I assume the suits at Netflix have run the numbers and are confident that enough people will fall into the first category to justify this move.

Or you could switch to renting a seedbox and using plex/jellyfin

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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The Netflix I pay for is currently used by: Me, Mom, Dad, Grandparents, GF, GFs Mom. Other than myself and my GF, most of the people on this list watch something on Netflix every couple of months, when I or someone/something else recommend them a movie or show. I don't want them to use my profile, because we then obviously can't watch the same things, and it'll break my recommendations. I get why Netflix wants to spl…

I think that you are upset about the subscription model not serving your use case. Pay-per-view is probably more appropriate for those who only want to watch a couple movies every month, put ppv isn't available. Customers instead share their accounts with family members. It is dirty rotten piracy and anyone doing it is stealing bread from the mouths of babes, but that's what happens when the legitimate system fails t…

> Pay-per-view is probably more appropriate for those who only want to watch a couple movies every month, put ppv isn't available. Customers instead share their accounts with family members

PPV is available for most movies, you can rent them from iTunes or amazon for $3-5 for a single watch in my experience.

Ultimately the best delivery model for the customer would be $0 for unlimited free streaming of movies and music, of course that would tank the industry and stop new production so a balance must be found in terms of what customers will tolerate vs what is needed to fund new content production.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Sharing inside a household is. Again, the t&cs explicitly forbid you account sharing with anyone outside your household. (As does Spotify's, and Spotify started doing something similar to do this a few years ago.)

Ok so, what if I live with you but work in another city I travel to every week, do I not live with you? What if I'm a trucker on the move? What if I'm in the army and getting deployed?

In those 3 examples you’d still both file your taxes at the same address and be legally eligible to vote there too.

Seems easily distinguished from the case of independent adults who sleep in different homes every night and have separate addresses on all their tax forms, drivers’ license and voting registrations...

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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What exactly is Netflix pissed about ? Their stock is over $500 a share. In 2020 Netflix has positive cashflow of $1.9 billion. What are they pissed about ?

It's never enough

I won’t be shocked when they start introducing ads, reduced ads accounts, and premium content subscriptions.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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What is it that you think is appropriate for you to be pissed off about? You pay for Netflix for you and your household, not for anyone that happens to be related to you. Has that ever not been the case?

What exactly is Netflix pissed about ? Their stock is over $500 a share. In 2020 Netflix has positive cashflow of $1.9 billion. What are they pissed about ?

Netflix's share price is ~80 times earnings. Their investors expect them to grow.
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