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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by Viliam1234 » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 4:07 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #662

Viliam1234 wrote: post #625

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From my perspective, a great advantage of Java over non-statically-typed languages is that when I make a stupid error, most likely the IDE will notice it and underline it immediately . Thus I don't waste my time hunting for stupid errors. That is, unless I use Spring. The stupid Spring-related errors only appear at runtime. Ok, honestly, after a year, using Spring is more convenient than not using it. (Basically, the…

Oh, if only you get error messages. My most common mode of failure in Spring is "nothing happened". Which there's no way to debug, or Google. At least error messages show up in Stack Overflow. You missed an annotation, or provided the wrong kind of annotation, and Spring just said, "Well, apparently that code doesn't matter." Inversion of control means you have no control. At least Spring has switched mostly to annot…

Until now, I felt bad that I haven't learned Spring earlier. Now I feel happy that I only met Spring after the annotations were added. I can't even imagine the horror...

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by ufmace » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

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Probably some of that, plus the factors mentioned in Joel's old blog post: In an over-simplified world of Good Developers and Bad Developers, the Good Developers generally don't get fired or quit much, and if they do, can usually get another job through references they made at their last one. If they happen to not have any references who can get them a new job and enter the general recruiting market, they usually get…

I've had the same job for 9 years, but I'm not marketable. I guess I fall into the bad developer category.

Hey, I said it's oversimplified. Don't get hung up on trying to categorize yourself as one or the other. You CAN get into another stack or another company if you really want to.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by 8ytecoder » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 7:57 PM UTC

lsh123 wrote: post #724

8ytecoder wrote: post #45

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I wouldn’t waste my time if I thought the hiring manager/recruiter is so incompetent. I’d have read that and bucketed the company as one of those looking to tick the boxes in years of experience.

I’ll repeat my reply to another comment: you would have made an assumption without knowing facts or trying to ask questions

Well, if I don’t know how to prioritize my time and cut down on time-wasters, I can’t be a good employee either.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by 1-more » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 8:02 PM UTC

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Does the PDF contain the whole font in such a way that anyone can add text in that font? I ask because I use uw-garamond from the Mathdesign package.

It can. You decide if the font should be embedded or not.

Roger dodger. Gonna have to convert everything to vector drawings to be safe.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by anonuser123456 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:12 AM UTC

dmos62 wrote: post #480

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I think HN has been recently overtaken by a lot of very neoliberal people who preach unregulated capitalism very hard.

A world where basic income isn't downvoted, but strong trade unions or anti-trust laws are is a weird one.

UBI doesn’t mess with the price system and ruin market efficiency. Unions totally screw it up.

I will take UBI or negative income tax every day of the week over unions.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by AtlasBarfed » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:59 AM UTC

faceplanted wrote: post #486

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Gradle & Maven are just build tools. They can be used for other stuff, but that's what they're mostly used for in my experience.

I actually find the things _around_ the languages like build tools and ansible and such by far the more confusing parts of dev work just because I never know which of them I should spend time trying to understand and if I just want a runthrough for someone who can already program I never know where to look.

Lots of new languages that arose in reflex to the "stack complexity" of Java ... eventually achieved the same stack complexity with a totally different set of framework/tool names.

Ruby/Rails in particular became this. Javascript rocketed to this complexity level, with the added chaos of seemingly reinventing the entire toolchains every 2 years.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by brigandish » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 4:21 AM UTC

jason0597 wrote: post #478

dmos62 wrote: post #470

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Why on earth would anyone downvote this?

I think HN has been recently overtaken by a lot of very neoliberal people who preach unregulated capitalism very hard.

As someone of a more libertarian bent myself, I find the opposition to unions slightly puzzling. It's clear the disdain is driven by opposition to socialism, as so many unions are subverted by socialists and their influence, but as a general idea they are perfectly acceptable if not ideal and should be championed - free association, individuals coming together to use their bargaining power to provide corrective balance to a part of the market suffering from power and information asymmetry… there's so many good things about unions.

In fact, if they were championed by - shall we call them economic liberals? - then they might be a damned sight harder to subvert and be a whole lot more effective and palatable. I know Sweden has strong unions and workers on boards (something I learnt from the very readable though still arguable book 23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism[1]), with restricted power (the employees can never become a majority in any vote on the board) and it seems to me to be an obviously good idea.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Things_They_Don%27t_Tell_Yo...

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by mekster » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 4:52 AM UTC

guenthert wrote: post #554

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Does the applicant get bonus points if the call out the BS "nice to have skill" in their cover letter?

There are thousands of programming languages, how would you know that any given doesn't exist?

So, you're saying a company is asking if anyone is proficient at a language that Google has never heard of?

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by franga2000 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 8:23 AM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

A lot of comments under here are talking about recruiters changing CVs, but I can't imagine why anyone would do that. Like, what is the incentive there?

Are these "outsourced" recruiters that get paid regardless of the quality of the candidate? Is that a thing? (I genuinely don't know, I've only ever talked to in-house recruiters that had their incentives aligned with the company so there's no reason for them to lie about candidates)

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by soperj » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #756

faceplanted wrote: post #486

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I actually find the things _around_ the languages like build tools and ansible and such by far the more confusing parts of dev work just because I never know which of them I should spend time trying to understand and if I just want a runthrough for someone who can already program I never know where to look.

Lots of new languages that arose in reflex to the "stack complexity" of Java ... eventually achieved the same stack complexity with a totally different set of framework/tool names. Ruby/Rails in particular became this. Javascript rocketed to this complexity level, with the added chaos of seemingly reinventing the entire toolchains every 2 years.

yeah, i never understood that part. People wanting to use javascript on the backend, but not having any of those tools. They exist for a reason, and it's not to make things more complicated.