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Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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I think this is going to have the exact opposite effect of what they're going for. I know plenty of people who split the cost of an account because they can't justify the full price. The continual price hikes, and now this? I'm sure the bean counters have done the math and they'll come out ahead, but losing content + raising prices and now killing off people sharing accounts is just a bad look. This is yet another ca…

> This is yet another category of business where I think they'd be far better off being private, so in theory there isn't constant pressure to continue increasing revenue. Netflix has borrowed billions (and billions) of dollars to get where they are. As a private entity they've gone bust seven or eight years ago. Netflix priced themselves artificially low to grow, based on debt. That set unrealistic consumer expectat…

>Netflix has borrowed billions (and billions) of dollars to get where they are. As a private entity they've gone bust seven or eight years ago.

Netflix has been profitable since at least 2005... they may not have grown as quickly, but I'd need some data to back up the claim they'd be bankrupt without billions in investment.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NFLX/netflix/gross...

>but Netflix's terms literally always said that accounts could only be shared with people living in the same household as you.

I never said anything to the contrary. But it's no secret to netflix or anyone else that account sharing happens. This wouldn't be a news story otherwise. It also doesn't change the fact it's customer hostile and clearly an attempt to increase revenue.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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post #9
post #4

I think this is going to have the exact opposite effect of what they're going for. I know plenty of people who split the cost of an account because they can't justify the full price. The continual price hikes, and now this? I'm sure the bean counters have done the math and they'll come out ahead, but losing content + raising prices and now killing off people sharing accounts is just a bad look. This is yet another ca…

> This is yet another category of business where I think they'd be far better off being private, so in theory there isn't constant pressure to continue increasing revenue. Netflix has borrowed billions (and billions) of dollars to get where they are. As a private entity they've gone bust seven or eight years ago. Netflix priced themselves artificially low to grow, based on debt. That set unrealistic consumer expectat…

Right, but at the same time, Netflix also prices their product tiers around being able to pay for more simultaneous streams on the same account. Account sharing is literally a selling point for them.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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I struggle to see Netflix existing in its current form in 5 years. Their content is just awful, and the continuous price hikes just aren't justified. If they also start cracking down on shared accounts, I can only see it hastening their demise.

This was a popular sentiment when they started blocking VPNs on Hacker News.

A lot of money to be made betting against it.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article you can just verify through a code that any devices are yours. My hunch is this is only going to cull the second layer and beyond of password sharing (people you wouldn’t feel comfortable texting and asking for the verification code).

Interesting. Why the warning tho and not just a "please relogin" screen?

“Please Relogin” doesn’t give you the message that they’re on to what you’re doing. I don’t assume anything when I’m asked to login again. Guilt can be a powerful motivator for people who share accounts because many of them know that you’re not really supposed to do it, but it’s been more or less tolerated.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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As part of a single person household it feels weird that there is a norm that you are allowed to share logins "within your household". Effectively this means people in the same household are paying a lower price than others - so people living in single households are effectively subsidizing that usage by paying more per person.

You mean like internet access, telephone and cable tv? Single and multi person households both have pros and cons and this is just a pro for multi person households. The con is you need a more expensive netflix plan or you can't just watch when you want to.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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This just gives piracy yet another advantage. The article clearly mentions that credentials sharing is currently used as a mitigation to the balkanization of streaming services, allowing the cost of all major subscriptions to be spread across several people, essentially bringing down the per-person cost to a reasonable, single subscription's cost. Cracking down on this doesn't mean people will start paying, they will…

My mom and grandma currently share my Netflix account. If Netflix cracks down on it they aren't going to start torrenting, but will either get their own subscriptions or not watch Netflix at all. I assume the suits at Netflix have run the numbers and are confident that enough people will fall into the first category to justify this move.

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The Netflix I pay for is currently used by: Me, Mom, Dad, Grandparents, GF, GFs Mom. Other than myself and my GF, most of the people on this list watch something on Netflix every couple of months, when I or someone/something else recommend them a movie or show. I don't want them to use my profile, because we then obviously can't watch the same things, and it'll break my recommendations. I get why Netflix wants to spl…

> Currently, they get approximately $240 per year from me and my family. If everyone has to create their own account, that number goes up to $1200.

Typo of extra zero? Is this US dollars?

The most expensive digital plan is 17.99 USD / month. With discs, few $ more.

USD 240/month is excessive.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is yet another category of business where I think they'd be far better off being private, so in theory there isn't constant pressure to continue increasing revenue. Netflix has borrowed billions (and billions) of dollars to get where they are. As a private entity they've gone bust seven or eight years ago. Netflix priced themselves artificially low to grow, based on debt. That set unrealistic consumer expectat…

Right, but at the same time, Netflix also prices their product tiers around being able to pay for more simultaneous streams on the same account. Account sharing is literally a selling point for them.

Sharing inside a household is.

Again, the t&cs explicitly forbid you account sharing with anyone outside your household.

(As does Spotify's, and Spotify started doing something similar to do this a few years ago.)

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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post #10

As part of a single person household it feels weird that there is a norm that you are allowed to share logins "within your household". Effectively this means people in the same household are paying a lower price than others - so people living in single households are effectively subsidizing that usage by paying more per person.

Almost everything is cheaper for multiple people living as a unit. Wait until you find out people with partners effectively have their rent halved.
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