> In the case of Roubaix 4, the Datacenter is made with a lot of wood: > Finally, we have other photos of the floor of the OVH "Roubaix 4" tower. It is clearly wood! Hope it's fireproof wood! A wooden datacenter ... is still original, we must admit. > In France, data centers are mainly regulated by the labor code, by ICPE recommendations (with authorization or declaration) and by insurers. At the purely regulatory le…
"1 chiotte" -> "1 toilet" not puppy
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Thanks for sharing this interesting story. Part of my family immigrated from Indonesia due to those riots, but I was unaware up until today of the details covered by the Wikipedia article you linked. I remember during the 2000s and 2010s that WalMart in the USA earned a reputation for it's inventories primarily consisting of Chinese-made goods. I'm not sure if that reputation goes all the way back to 1998, but it mak…
I can't recall (and probably didn't know at the time...it was far from my area) where products were sourced for the Indonesia stores. Prior to the early 2000s, WalMart had a strong 'buy American' push. It was even in their advertising at the time, and literally written on the walls at the home office in Bentonville. Realities changed, though, as whole classes of products were more frequently simply not available from…
The switch had already begun.
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#594A status update on the OVH tracker for a different datacenter (LIM-1 / Limburg) says "We are going to intervene in the rack to replace a large number of power supply cables that could have an insulation defect." [0][1] The same type of issue is "planned" in BHS [3] and GRA [2]. Eerie timing: do they possibly suspect some bad cables? [0]: http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=details&id=49016 [1]: http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=deta…
>Eerie timing: do they possibly suspect some bad cables? Why not? Cables with ratings lower than the load they are carrying is a prime cause for electrical fires. If the load is too high for long enough, the shielding melts away, and if it is close enough for other material to catch fire then that's the ball game. It's a common cause for home electrical fires. Some lamp with poor wiring catches the drapes on fire, et…
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#595Back in the late 90s, I implemented the first systematic monitoring of WalMart Store's global network, including all of the store routers, hubs (not switches yet!) and 900mhz access points. Did you know that WalMart had some stores in Indonesia? They did until 1998. So when https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia started happening, we heard some harrowing stories of US employees being abducted, amon…
Some interesting facts to know for those who don't dig into it. Walmart: - has 80+ internal apps, mostly variants but still unique - runs k8s inside of Distribution Centers - maintains a fleet of >180k mobile devices in the US alone - has a half-dozen data centers in the US - has most International infrastructure seperate from US Stores'
I've got some stories of my own, maybe I'll post them in a bit.
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Ah neat, so you were an NCR tech! (I peeked at your comment history a bit.) My team and broader department spent a lot of hours working with, sometimes not in the most friendly terms, people at different levels in the NCR organization. You're correct, if Drake (the always running discovery engine) didn't detect a device on a given port over a long enough time, then another program would shut that port down. This was…
The NCR/Walmart relationship was fairly strained during my tenure. Given the sheer number of stores/sites that Walmart had and NCR's own problems, it was not always possible to provide the quality of service people might expect, especially with a smile. From a FE perspective, working on networking gear at Walmart meant that you were out at 11pm at night (typically after working 10-11 hours already and spending an hou…
Definitely. (: I didn't hold it against the hands on workers like yourself. Even (and perhaps especially) back then, WalMart was a challenging, difficult and aggressive partner.
> working on networking gear at Walmart meant that you were out at 11pm at night
That sounds about right; the scheduling I was directly aware of was very fast paced. Our Network Engineering Store Team pushed and pushed and pushed, just as they were pushed and pushed and pushed.
> Walmart must have been an interesting place to work during the late 90s, early 2000
Yup. Nowhere I've worked before or since had me learning as much or getting nearly as much done. It was an amazingly positive experience for me and my team, but not so positive for a lot of others.
> I imagine that most everywhere they had to solve problems at scale before scale was a considered a thing.
Sometimes I imagine writing a book about this, because it's absolutely true, all over Information Systems Division.
For a time in the early 2000s, we were, on average, opening up a new store every day, and a typical new store would have two routers, two VOIP routers, two cache engines, between 10 and 20 switches, two or four wireless access point controllers and dozens of AP endpoints. That was managed by one or two people on the Network Engineering side, so my team (Network Management) wrote automation that generated the configs, validated connections, uploaded configs, etc etc etc. (Not one or two people per store: one or two people for ALL of the new stores.)
The networking equipment was managed by a level of automation that is pretty close to what one sees inside of Google or Facebook today, and we were doing it 20 years ago.
> ... telecom ... prior art ...
John Chambers, the long-time CEO of Cisco, was at the time on WalMart's board of directors. He was always a bit of a tech head, and so when he came to Bentonville for board meetings, he'd often come and visit us in Network Engineering.
Around 2001-2002, we were chatting with him and he asked why we weren't using Cisco Works to manage our network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Prime but back then it was mostly focused on network monitoring and to a lesser extent, config management. We chuckled and told him that there's no way that Cisco Works could scale to even a fraction of our network. He asked what we used, and of course we showed him the management system we'd written.
He was so impressed that he went back to San Jose, selected a group of Cisco Works architects, had them sign NDAs, and sent them to Bentonville, Arkansas for a month. The intent was to have them evaluate our software with an eye toward packaging it up and re-selling it.
Those meetings were interesting, but ultimately fruitless. The Cisco Works architects were Ivory Tower Java People. The first thing they wanted to see was our class hierarchy. We laughed and said we had scores of separate and very shallow classes, all written in Perl, C and C++.
Needless to say, they found the very 'rough and ready' way our platform was designed to be shocking and unpalatable. They went back and told Chambers that there was literally no way our products could be tied together.
> ... match to best-practices today ...
Professionally, I've been doing basically the same kinds of things since then, and I'll say that while our particular methods and approaches were extremely unusual, the high level results would meet or perhaps exceed what one gets with 'best practices' seen today.
Not because we were any smarter or better, but because we had no choice but to automate and automate effectively. At that scale, at that rate of change, at those uptime requirements, 'only' automating 99% would be disastrous.
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Not done any research into it, but I always thought OVH was supposed to be a very budget VPS service primarily for personal use rather than business. Although thought it was akin to having a Raspberry Pi plugged in at home. Again, I may be completely wrong but why would you not use AWS/GCP? Even if it's complexity, Amazon have Lightsail, or if it's cost I thought DigitalOcean was one of the only reputable business-gr…
OVH is a European equivalent to Digital Ocean. It has twice the revenue, and is the third largest hosting provider in the world.
I've been making this point for a long time. Both of those AS spaces are legendary for the volume of dodgy packets they barf at the rest of us.
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#598Back in the late 90s, I implemented the first systematic monitoring of WalMart Store's global network, including all of the store routers, hubs (not switches yet!) and 900mhz access points. Did you know that WalMart had some stores in Indonesia? They did until 1998. So when https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia started happening, we heard some harrowing stories of US employees being abducted, amon…
I love hearing stories from "old" Walmart. I was a Walmartian from 2017 to 2019, and I still miss my co-workers. (Shout-out to the Mobile Client team.) Some interesting facts to know for those who don't dig into it. Walmart: - has 80+ internal apps, mostly variants but still unique - runs k8s inside of Distribution Centers - maintains a fleet of >180k mobile devices in the US alone - has a half-dozen data centers in…
Wow, that's a hell of a change! When I left in 2009, there were exactly two datacenters: NDC and EDC. Not surprising really.
From where I was sitting, the best era was definitely 1997-2004 or so. ISD really went down hill, pretty quickly, in my last five years there, for many different reasons.
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Not saying that you should never do a full mysql dump. Nor that you should not ensure that you can import a full dump. But when you already use ZFS you can do a very speedy full backup with: mysql Transfer the snapshot off-site (and test!). Either as a simple filecopy (the snapshot ensured a consistent database) or a little more advanced with zfs send/receive. This is much quicker and more painless than mysql dump. E…
Do you even need to flush the tables and grab a read lock while taking the ZFS snapshot? My understanding was that since ZFS snapshots are point-in-time consistent, taking a snapshot without flushing tables or grabbing a read lock would be safe; restoring from that snapshot would be like rebooting after losing power.
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Apple fire: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/fire-rages-throug... Google fire: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/gigazine.net/amp/en/20060313_goo... AWS fire: https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/09/technology/amazon-data-cent...
> Apple fire Their solar panels on the roof caught on fire. Presumably there was no actual disruption in service computing-wise. > Google fire 2006, still a young company at that point. Also this was way before GCP where they were responsible for other people's services. > AWS fire Data center caught on fire while it was under construction. Drunk construction workers messed up, not AWS. Presumably no computers were e…