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Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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Well if you look at Chinese cuisine or even better, Cantonese one and dim sum, you realize that it was really to extract the most from scarce ingredients, not much meats or vegetables with a lot of carbs, and lots of seasoning to cover low quality ingredients.

(I don't say the cuisine is bad nor not tasty, I am only talking about the cooking part).

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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In Italy we say: "A lot of spices are to cover the taste of bad ingredients". It means that if you use a lot of spices ( we _usually_ use only black pepper and salt ), you are going to cover the taste of the ingredients you are using, we believe that you need to use good ingredients to have flavourful recipes, if an ingredient tastes bad you shouldn't use it. Also we always search for the balance, there shouldn't be…

I'm Indian, and some of the most amusing conversations I've had about food have been with Italians.

An Italian professor was insistent that I stand up and defend the need for Indian food to use a million spices. He was proud of the fact that delicious Italian food could be whipped up using just three ingredients. I was in full agreement with him, that Italian food was wonderful, and that it was commendable how far they could take simple ingredients. But he was almost demanding (diplomatically of course) that I take the other side and argue that one needed a million spices to make good food.

An Italian friend was aghast that I would suggest putting Onion and Garlic in the same meal. It was strictly either/or for him.

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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post #3

Interesting, the indulgence/purity pendulum again. This seems to have happened a lot. The overindulgence of, say, Elizabethan outfits, all ruffs and slashes, versus much more staid black later on. Men inventing the high heeled boot then it switching to be a women's article of clothing. The ridiculous over-influence of France in all of these things, especially cooking. And of course the big indulgence/puritan fight th…

French was the language that everyone used for diplomacy, so I assume that's how their culture spread in that period. Much like American culture spreads so easily at the moment because of English.

On the cuisine side, it's also the act a few people that made french cuisine popular in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Antoine_Car%C3%AAme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Escoffier

Especially Escoffier did set the ground on how to run a big restaurant kitchen efficiently.

I'm sure part of it was France influence, but I wonder how much of it was also due to people who had a big influence in a specific field. They happened to be French, but they could have been from another country as well.

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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In Italy we say: "A lot of spices are to cover the taste of bad ingredients". It means that if you use a lot of spices ( we _usually_ use only black pepper and salt ), you are going to cover the taste of the ingredients you are using, we believe that you need to use good ingredients to have flavourful recipes, if an ingredient tastes bad you shouldn't use it. Also we always search for the balance, there shouldn't be…

Isn't Sicilian food fairly spicy?

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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post #9

In Italy we say: "A lot of spices are to cover the taste of bad ingredients". It means that if you use a lot of spices ( we _usually_ use only black pepper and salt ), you are going to cover the taste of the ingredients you are using, we believe that you need to use good ingredients to have flavourful recipes, if an ingredient tastes bad you shouldn't use it. Also we always search for the balance, there shouldn't be…

Are you from the North? I know in Southern Italy red peppers are popular on some dishes. E.G. Spaghetti Aglio e Olio

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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In Italy we say: "A lot of spices are to cover the taste of bad ingredients". It means that if you use a lot of spices ( we _usually_ use only black pepper and salt ), you are going to cover the taste of the ingredients you are using, we believe that you need to use good ingredients to have flavourful recipes, if an ingredient tastes bad you shouldn't use it. Also we always search for the balance, there shouldn't be…

Isn't Sicilian food fairly spicy?

not really, maybe you are thinking about some food from calabria.

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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In Italy we say: "A lot of spices are to cover the taste of bad ingredients". It means that if you use a lot of spices ( we _usually_ use only black pepper and salt ), you are going to cover the taste of the ingredients you are using, we believe that you need to use good ingredients to have flavourful recipes, if an ingredient tastes bad you shouldn't use it. Also we always search for the balance, there shouldn't be…

Isn't Sicilian food fairly spicy?

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Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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> Serving richly spiced stews was no longer a status symbol for Europe's wealthiest families — even the middle classes could afford to spice up their grub. "So the elite recoiled from the increasing popularity of spices," Ray says. "They moved on to an aesthetic theory of taste. Rather than infusing food with spice, they said things should taste like themselves. Meat should taste like meat, and anything you add only…

That is common in many other Asian countries, in Indonesia, some would bake fish as it is without anything, then you would add whatever you want when you take your cut to your plate, salt and other spices. It is a legitimate way of thinking about purity of foods and drinks I think. Coffee connoisseurs would not dilute the coffee with sugar nor cardamon, in the Levant for example.

Re: Snobbery Helped Take the Spice Out of European Cooking (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Sicilian food fairly spicy?

not really, maybe you are thinking about some food from calabria.

Certainly seemed fairly different to me when I visited - I was more used to northern Italian food.

NB I should have been clearer - I don't mean that the food seemed spicey in absolute terms, just that compared to other Italian food I had tried there was a noticeable use of some spices.

Edit: Also possible I was selecting the spicier items from menus!

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