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PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

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Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

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Apple also tries to trick you into enabling Siri every time you install a security update.

Does anyone know why Siri on Mac is so pathetic. It never seems to work with "Hey Siri" and even after invoking manually it never understands when you've finished talking...

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

#23

Those who use Windows, especially 10, are all-too-familiar with this sort of thing (and worse[1]). The "excuse" is usually something along the lines of "the configuration file has changed format so let's remove it and revert everything to defaults". (Why would it change format? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21174947 ) It's certainly taught me to treat updates as basically nearly equivalent to a new OS install…

The latest macos updates (11.3.3 or something released this week) broke git for me on my M1 mac. Firstly the update was a security fix and more than 3GB which felt ridiculously. Then I had to reinstall command line tools because apparently with a macos update that can be needed. It really is a new OS these days since I believe apple has some kind of read only system partition probably for integrity so they basically just replace those binaries with new ones I’m guessing which makes the sizes big and sometimes breaks configuration files.

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

#24

I’ve had no trouble with this since I made changes in that pane at least a year ago. Do you do expert user things with your Mac, like disabling SIP or running LittleSnitch or so on? Have you opened a bug report for Apple with sysdiagnose attached? Are you using or have you used developer betas on this device or other macOS devices linked to the signed-in iCloud account of this device, if any? Have you run out of driv…

I too am ready to lay down my life to defend the honor of Apple Inc. sir!

Replace 'Apple' nouns with 'Windows' or 'NetworkManager' nouns in this post and you'll get the exact same tone of reply. The proper noun used doesn't matter here. The incompetence of construction of the conspiracy theory does. It's such a shame to see HN users promoting something that's no different than a tabloid article at the supermarket, except that it's about Apple Computer instead of Fiona Apple.

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "trick you into enabling" do you mean "asks"?

Asking multiple times to get a different answer is trickery.

That would normally be called "hassling" someone.

It's annoying but not dishonest.

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

#27
post #15

Apple's updates will clear all sorts of things, specific firewall rules was the most egregious in my mind (pf.conf). But allowing incoming connections without a prompt, I think it may be getting worse now. Related, what annoyed me is that 3rd party installers can gather telemetry even before you've installed. The one I recall from a year or two ago was docker. The Docker installer is doing telemetry before you've eve…

What the holy hell. I hate the world.

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

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post #13

This report worried me, but it was timely because I was literally in the process of upgrading to macOS 11.2.3. So, while the update was downloading, I changed my firewall settings specifically to allow built-in software to receive incoming connections, but disallow downloaded signed software. I also specifically set GarageBand to block incoming connections but not other programs among those listed. I'm happy to repor…

I am still on macOS Mojave. And I also suspect that these things may vary with the applicable laws of the particular country. Indian laws regarding data protection and privacy are still in a limbo.

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

#29

I've got 11.2.3 downloaded and ready to update. I'll set these same you've seen to have been changed and I'll report back. I know another commenter did this too, but I don't think hurts to have another test. For reference, I've got a 2020 Intel MacBook Pro 13.

OP here - I didn't mention it, but I am still on macOS Mojave. (And as I mentioned elsewhere, I suspect Apple has different processes for different countries, depending on the applicable data protection and privacy laws.)

Re: PSA: macOS updates often modify your System Preferences to violate your Privacy

#30

I’ve had no trouble with this since I made changes in that pane at least a year ago. Do you do expert user things with your Mac, like disabling SIP or running LittleSnitch or so on? Have you opened a bug report for Apple with sysdiagnose attached? Are you using or have you used developer betas on this device or other macOS devices linked to the signed-in iCloud account of this device, if any? Have you run out of driv…

> Do you do expert user things with your Mac, like disabling SIP or running LittleSnitch or so on?

I have never disabled SIP. I do run an application firewall.

> Have you opened a bug report for Apple with sysdiagnose attached?

No. Apple never clarifies if something is a bug or a feature. (And depending on the lax data protection and privacy laws of certain countries, this could well be a feature).

> Are you using or have you used developer betas on this device or other macOS devices linked to the signed-in iCloud account of this device, if any?

No.

> Have you run out of drive space since you set those settings, and/or performed a migration from another system?

No. All my internal hard disks have more than 50% free space. The last upgrade to it was macOS Mojave, with the occasional security updates.

> What evidence have you collected that demonstrates that this is an intentional act by Apple, as claimed in your post headline?

The circumstantial evidence is pretty clear - This isn't the first time this is happening to me after installing an OS update. Only Apple benefits by allowing Apple software to always have unhindered internet access and enabling ad-tracking.

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