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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by kwdc »

developer92 wrote: post #559
ficklepickle wrote: post #458

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"But can you code in API? I don't want your life story, just answer me! Do you know API?!" I'm so lucky, I think I found the best recruiter in all Vancouver. He helped me get my ideal role and was generally kind and competent. Just to offset the horror stories.

"I can code an API, yes."

We need synergistic team players with 5 years of api experience. Unfortunately we can't offer you a position if you can't program in API.

paraphrased from a rejection phone call - swap the acronym with the word "interface" if you want to get closer to the original

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by bscphil »

jason0597 wrote: post #478
dmos62 wrote: post #470

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Why on earth would anyone downvote this?

I think HN has been recently overtaken by a lot of very neoliberal people who preach unregulated capitalism very hard.

It's not particularly recent or even surprising, this is basically a SV startup forum after all. Or at least directly adjacent to one.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

pc86 wrote: post #232
viraptor wrote: post #227

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I'm not sure. Recruiters can spray and pray with candidates the way candidates can spray and pray with applications. They're not going to be great quality, but if you're paid commission on a hire and the recruitment channel can handle the load... what's to stop the recruiter?

Aside from it destroying future business (we've had recruiters change candidates' resumes on us and that recruiter is blacklisted - by name - forever, to anyone who will listen), most contracts will have a 30-day clause where if the employee leaves for any reason within 30 days the fee is returned. Some even have if employee is fired within 30 days that the next placement fee is discounted.

When I connect with recruiters on Linkedin, I often notice they've spent a short time at their current position. Their tactics might not be sustainable.

That said, it's a bit absurd there aren't separate classes of users on Linkedin. Do I need to know a recruiter's work history?

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

jschwartzi wrote: post #469
buu700 wrote: post #331

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I haven't worked with a recruiter, so this is pure speculation, but it seems to me that a recruiter's greatest incentive would be to close any deal at all as quickly as possible, because they're competing against the alternative of you finding a position on your own first (or otherwise no longer requiring their services). Getting you a high salary is just gravy.

I have actually had a recruiter negotiate a salary bump on my behalf though.

As in they did it without you asking or they were the go-between during negotiation?

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by mleonhard »

Nasrudith wrote: post #268
jdhzzz wrote: post #85

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A relative has a business publishing information about high school athletics. They created a fictitious school and used it to prove a company had infringed their copyright.

Thankfully the supreme court saved us from an epidemic of misinformation pollution with Feist v. Rural by making it not good for making them any money.

Would you please explain?

Also, I can't tell if your comment is sincere or sarcastic.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by waheoo »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #505
andjd wrote: post #433

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At least do a png. JPEG compression is murder to text.

This may be a benefit in this case, as sneaky edits to a JPEG full of text will show up as a difference in patterns of artifacts - original text will be compressed twice, while the edits just once (or once and zero if they save the edited image to PNG). Takes a bit of time and skill to make this unnoticeable.

Ok fine I'll add a watermark too.

I'll also take a copy along with me just in case.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by bscphil »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #667
projectileboy wrote: post #136

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Nope. Sales is sales is sales. It’s a pretty harsh world. If you’ve been a solid performer for years, maybe you can miss one monthly quota. Lots of abuse.

My brother worked in commission-based sales for a while. He said the performance bonus structure was awful. It was basically based on your performance increase, rather than your absolute performance. So the top performer would likely get the lowest bonus because it's hard to improve when you're already at the top. If 100% of your calls led to a sale, you might get a good bonus the first year, but you will have made i…

It's funny, you actually see this broken incentive system everywhere once you start looking for it. Here's a quick example from outside the business world.

I've been playing with Duolingo. The main incentive is seeing your "streak" increase (the number of days in a row you complete a lesson). You are allowed to make five mistakes total every day on the free version. If you struggle with a lesson, you might use up all five of them, in which case your streak will die. Duolingo allows you to spend points to buy a new thing of five "hearts" (the traditional video game lives). So you have a fairly strong incentive to make sure you always have a cache of points.

Once you blow through some easy incentives in the first few weeks, there aren't that many ways to get points (besides completing more lessons, which you can't do if you run out of hearts). One of the main ways to get points is to do well in the bracketed competition system, where you are compared to 49 other users you are grouped with every week.

Unless you're in the top 3 (hard, because there are a handful of people who treat Duolingo like a full time job), you don't earn any points from your bracket placement. You only earn points from going up a bracket at the end of a week (top 10). Once you reach the top bracket, you don't get any more points. So the system is actually incentivizing you to repeatedly drop down one bracket so that you can climb it again.

(Interestingly, there's a very easy time-zone based trick to get yourself much easier competition because their matchmaking algorithm is unintelligent. All weekly competitions start at midnight UTC on Monday morning, which is what allows the trick to work. I managed to get top three finishes in a pretty high bracket without much work. Been meaning to write this up...)

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by chrisbennet »

goatinaboat wrote: post #256
ezconnect wrote: post #158

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I once coded for a recruitment agency and they get paid a recruitment fee equal to a 1 month salary of their recruit.

they get paid a recruitment fee equal to a 1 month salary of their recruit It can go a lot higher than that, 3-4 months salary for more senior hires. The good news is this means the recruiter is incentivised to help you negotiate higher pay

"The good news is this means the recruiter is incentivized to help you negotiate higher pay"

Not really. Like realters, "Real estate agents do not generally represent the buyer," says Florida real-estate attorney Barry Ansbacher. "But buyers think they do."

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

bsharitt wrote: post #367
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

I had a recruiter dress up my (at the time) plain sysadmin resume as a .NET developer with sysadmin experience and I got blindsided by what the position I was interviewing for actually was when I got there. What a waste of everyone's time. And to this day it's always third party recruiters reaching out to me for positions I'd be "a great fit for", even though even though they're only loosely related to what I've I've…

When looking for a job after university, I once got invited to an interview via a recruiter who - as they do - said I'd be a great fit. I booked a train ticket for the Monday interview, with multiple hours of leeway, and said I'd be glad to attend.

On the Friday morning before the interview, the recruiter gave me a rough idea of what kind of technical questions they'd ask me.

They were nothing like my area of expertise.

If something like this happened to me today, I'd cancel the interview, apologise to all the parties, and wouldn't drive there on the day of the interview. But I was a poor student, I didn't drive, I'd already bought the train ticket and, with the limited funds I had, being able to go to any further interviews was contingent on me getting paid expenses for this interview.

So I spent the weekend dreading the interview, skipped Monday's lectures, and went to my ritual humiliation. During one excruciating question about AC motors, I came within seconds of telling the interviewers that it wasn't going to work out. But, to ensure I got the train fare back, I had to do appear to be trying my hardest.

Every person involved lost out that day.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by LdSGSgvupDV »

DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

Weird. The recruiter did not show you the job description? Whenever there is a job sent by recruiter, I also ask for JD and the range of annual compensation. For the JD part, it is quite often that it is just a copy-paste from some employment website.
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