Interesting fact MOVA in ukrainian means language. And as ukrainian I have more than 30 years of mova experience.
We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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#682> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
This is why some recruiters demand a DOCX of a resume, not just a PDF. They edit them before submitting them to postings. Sometimes they're honest edits to improve your chances, but mostly it's lying to get you in the door.
I am really surprised so many people actually use recruiters :O Why not just look for a job yourself? They are so annoying to me, I can barely imagine anyone actually taking them serious...
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#683So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.
And this has been going on forever.
I remember people asking for X years of Java experience and thinking, "Gosling was still calling it Oak X years ago and if you want any of his team members you're going to have to double your starting offer."
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Thank you. Other than unions, I don't see any other solution to the fundamental imbalance. It's (group + resources) vs (group + resources) until groups with the most resources decide they want to be nice. Until that becomes a reality, via regulation or epiphany or whatever, any expectation that it's not David vs Goliath is naive.
I totally agree with you on the general dynamics, but would add govt regulation as another potential balancer. The govt can require things like breaks, overtime pay, and safety conditions that would otherwise have to be negotiated (often unsuccessfully) by employees. Also, providing a stronger economic safety net gives employees more bargaining power, since it decreases their downside risk.
Small note on this: Companies, especially large companies, spend an exorbant amount of money on lobbying lawmakers. That lobbying money works hard to limit workers' (and consumers', and competitions') rights.
And ultimately, it's not the government alone which got us breaks, overtime pay, and safety conditions - it was the unions using their dues to push the government for those things.
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Is the objective of hobbies to ‘get good’ at them? That sounds exhausting. If someone lists ‘skiing’ as a hobby I’m not expecting them to have Olympic medals to back that up. ‘It says here on your resume that you play guitar. Well, let’s see how you fair in a guitar battle with Slash from accounting’ This is just more of that hyper competitive ‘well rounded college applicant’ performative high school stuff, isn’t it?…
I would not list guitar playing on my resume unless I was prepared to entertain a crowd at my job interview. Likewise I wouldn't list chess unless I was good enough to at least entertain a grand master for a few minutes.
I love this game.
I wouldn’t put down ‘travel’ as a hobby if I weren’t prepared to take the interviewer on a quick day trip to Paris.
I wouldn’t list ‘reading’ as a hobby unless I could do a professional audiobook-level reading of a book for the interviewer, including doing all the voices.
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How is it usually written on the resume? I would expect someone to be actually good at chess to put down their Elo rating. For someone just putting it as a hobby, I wouldn't expect much, especially when it comes to the "boring" stuff like memorizing openings. In the same way that there is usually a difference between what high level athletes and hobbyist write. The former usually mention something concrete (champion…
Putting an ELO is like putting your SAT when you’re 25 and over: sort of aggressive and you better have a really high number!
"I'm only 28 and already washed up."
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That's a bit unfair though. I wouldn't take "great proficiency with chess" on a resume as grandmaster level.
But how Dunning Kruger are you to put that down? Like chess has a pretty well known rating system that even a moderately interested player would know about. So in the case of chess you can’t even claim that you didn’t know you are not that great. You can put down you’re decent at Java or C++ or Python and actually be not that great at it because you have nothing to measure against. But in chess there is a rating syst…
Context. If you're applying as a securities trader, you're great at chess... for a securities trader.
If you were great as chess for a human, you probably wouldn't be applying for a securities job.
Conversely, there was a period of my life where people would hear me talk through a few problems and later confess their surprise/disappointment upon finding out I'm rubbish at chess. I found more lucrative and/or entertaining puzzles to plow my ample free time into, is all.
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It's really not made to be and with the exception of an embedded file that's actually editable (eg: LibreOffice optionally keeping an ODT version inside the PDF), "editing" a PDF tends to be a disaster of trying to match the layout with whatever text you are attempting to edit. Certain tools, such as Word and LibreOffice, make it a bit easier as most of the source text is in the document, others like LaTeX end up loo…
Does the PDF contain the whole font in such a way that anyone can add text in that font? I ask because I use uw-garamond from the Mathdesign package.
It can. You decide if the font should be embedded or not.
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Thanks. I hope you enjoy it :) And I really don't recommend reading the Black Swan, especially after reading Fooled by Randomness!
I'm interested in why you hold that opinion of Black Swan. I just read it a couple of months back because I figured I probably owed reading some Taleb as back table stakes for all the hours I've spent reading HN (and SSC). Picked Black Swan because it seemed to be the most well known and I've never liked jumping into a series with the most recent release. I enjoyed it, will read more of him, but haven't yet. Do you h…
It's been a while since I read these books but I'm surprised to hear someone like Fooled By Randomness but not Black Swan. One of the few complaints I had of Black Swan was that it felt a bit redundant in parts from the previous book. Overall I think both books are great and worth reading.
I highly recommend reading Antifragile next though. It's fairly different from the other two and extremely interesting; probably one of my favorite books.