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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by mickotron »

swalsh wrote: post #592
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340

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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

> Thirty minutes after leaving the recruiter is on the phone to me, screaming at me I once refused to let a recruiter send my resume to this company because I thought the company was slimey (it looked like they used SEO to trick people who were actually looking for a free government service to use their paid service instead... but it was purposely ambigious they were not affiliated with the government) The recuriter…

A recruiter called me out of the blue years ago when I was looking for a job, probably from LinkedIn. I didn't know much about contracting so I was just curious as to what he could do for me.

He called me once screaming at me because he thought I was not being exclusive to him with regards to a particular job. I told him quickly where to go, it was him who called me, grow up and stop wasting my time. To this day I have no idea what he was smoking that day cause I'm as bewildered now as I was then about what he was on about.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by jfengel »

Viliam1234 wrote: post #625
jfengel wrote: post #532

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The trick isn't memorizing them. The trick is discovering them. I've been emitting various versions of Wingardium Leviosa at Spring Boot for days now, with no effect. Once I've learned the incantation I'll have it and can repeat it in ten seconds, but until I have it I'm producing no actual work. Arguably, I'm more valuable because I have the capacity to eventually figure this out, rather than having already memorize…

From my perspective, a great advantage of Java over non-statically-typed languages is that when I make a stupid error, most likely the IDE will notice it and underline it immediately . Thus I don't waste my time hunting for stupid errors. That is, unless I use Spring. The stupid Spring-related errors only appear at runtime. Ok, honestly, after a year, using Spring is more convenient than not using it. (Basically, the…

Oh, if only you get error messages. My most common mode of failure in Spring is "nothing happened". Which there's no way to debug, or Google. At least error messages show up in Stack Overflow. You missed an annotation, or provided the wrong kind of annotation, and Spring just said, "Well, apparently that code doesn't matter."

Inversion of control means you have no control.

At least Spring has switched mostly to annotations, which are sorta like Java. The IDE can spot some errors.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by jjk166 »

fractionalhare wrote: post #504
jjk166 wrote: post #487

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Resumes are meant to be highly subjective and bias inducing things - you're trying to convince someone to hire you. Your resume is a brief summary of why you're a good fit for the company in general and the role in particular. An extremely large portion of that fit is your personality. Hobbies and interests are an excellent way to convey the type of person that you are. Putting down that you enjoy camping doesn't mea…

> which means you are probably a person who enjoys somewhat adversarial situations where you need to win with your logic and you are comfortable with taking short term losses for long term gains Sure - to which my next question becomes, are you actually good at it? If you're not, I don't professionally care if you personally enjoy it.

It doesn't matter if you're good at it - there is no evidence that being good at chess makes you better at any hedge fund related tasks or vice versa. However you should most definitely care if your employees like what they do and the environments they are in. Those who dislike some critical element of the job may be perfectly capable of doing it, but will have a very low barrier to jumping to other opportunities compared to someone who genuinely likes the job.

Let's say you're hiring people to work a fish market. One candidate loves going out on the boat and fishing in their spare time, the other hates the smell of fish. Both are fully capable of doing the job, which doesn't involve catching fish or being on a boat, but which does involve spending a lot of time with dead fish. Who do you think is more likely to stick with the job for an extended period of time and be pleasant to work alongside?

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by jjk166 »

sokoloff wrote: post #534
jjk166 wrote: post #459

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If someone had bad education credentials (bad school, dropout, etc) but they put a high SAT score on a resume that would be a pretty concise way of communicating "it wasn't because I'm dumb"

It’s possible that the received signal would be “I test well, but I struggle to complete a structured, long-term course of action”, which probably isn’t that beneficial.

I'd still prefer that to "I both test poorly and struggle to complete a structured, long-term course of action" which is just as likely an interpretation if you left it off.

At the end of the day, anything could be bad if viewed with sufficient cynicism, and you can't control how others will interpret what you present, you can only control the information which is presented.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by tempodox »

loosetypes wrote: post #647
tempodox wrote: post #269

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In Johnathan Swift's “Gulliver's Travels” (published 1726) it is stated that fraudulent behavior needs to be punished systematically since the erosion of trust will eventually destroy a market. Your comment describes a situation where exactly that happened. It is frustrating to see such an important (and simple) lesson, known literally for centuries, get forgotten or ignored.

That's the book from which the term endian comes, right? Worth a read?

Yes, on both accounts.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by swirepe »

dliff wrote: post #601
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #385

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That's something I've noticed over the last 10 years or so as job descriptions get longer. All those new terms like React, Vue, SaaS, Azure, AWS etc. They don't really know what they mean. I was asked if I could code in Azure. This led to a weird conversation where I was trying to explain what Azure was, whilst he wouldn't listen to me and was adamant that it was a programming language.

Not a recruiter but a co-worker who asked me "Do you know what an algorithm is? We might need one."

To be fair, my coworkers and I cyberbully each other all the time

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

projectileboy wrote: post #136
dmos62 wrote: post #96

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Jeez louise, imagine working somewhere where coworkers are regularly abused to tears. I really hope that that's an isolated case.

Nope. Sales is sales is sales. It’s a pretty harsh world. If you’ve been a solid performer for years, maybe you can miss one monthly quota. Lots of abuse.

My brother worked in commission-based sales for a while. He said the performance bonus structure was awful. It was basically based on your performance increase, rather than your absolute performance. So the top performer would likely get the lowest bonus because it's hard to improve when you're already at the top. If 100% of your calls led to a sale, you might get a good bonus the first year, but you will have made it impossible to get anything in subsequent years.

It gave an incentive to deliberately do a bad job when you first start so you can "get better" every year and get a bigger bonus.

What made it worse was that each year, they would "adjust" the commission structure as well. Of course, it was never in favor of the sales people. Commissions went down while expectations on sales went up.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by jjk166 »

delfinom wrote: post #529
hnbear wrote: post #394

Definitely the recruiter. They destroy resumes. Best/worse experience - walked into the interview and the interviewer asked if I preferred to go by first name or last name. I said I'm happy to be Alex, but don't hugely mind. He said - no "First Name, or Last Name", and showed me the resume. The recruiter had stripped off header, slapped on theirs, with logos and all, and forgotten to change their boilerplate, so my n…

Can't tell if interviewer was being open minded or empty headed

Odds are pretty good the interviewer got 3-5 different resumes all from First Name Last Name via that recruiter.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by noxvilleza »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #174
noxvilleza wrote: post #135

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Hah, even more orthogonally but - I run a small statistics site for a specific esports title, and very often large companies (who host tournaments with hundreds of thousands of dollars in production and prize money) just use data from the site in their production without even crediting it. I added a bunch of very innocuous and subtle changes to some data somewhat akin to trap streets - specific values rounding in key…

You could probably monetize that service with a public API. Then screw over companies that take advantage of your services by providing them data that makes them liable, e.g. if they use it in gambling and they award the wrong prizes.

There is a public API, and yeah many gambling sites use it as a reference when paying out stakes. They sometimes even screenshot from it - and punters tag me because the bookmaker messed up (for example, including qualifiers in a specific tournament market).

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dandanua »

dehrmann wrote: post #527
dandanua wrote: post #71

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Russian chauvinists also like to call Ukrainian language as fake. So this looks like a bad Russian joke.

Doesn't Ukraine also mean "borderland?" It's actually funny which name for countries ends up getting borrowed. The Finnish word for Finland is Suomi. The Swedish word for Finland is Finland. Ironically, the Swedish word for Sweden is Sverige, but at least you can see the Sw/Sv commonality.

"krai" also means area, territory, not just border. The meaning "borderland" is a Russian derogatory narrative, very hypocritical btw.
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