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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

yreg wrote: post #440
rjmill wrote: post #403

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It's common practice for recruiters to replace your personal contact info with their agency's header/contact info. I don't mind that. It makes sense. I generate my resume as a PDF from HTML/CSS. It's fun to see how recruiters handle that. I think most use image manipulation to insert their header. One recruiter sent me some image assets and let me add the header/footer myself. I'm sure some recruiters go too far with…

What are these recruiters you all talk about? Are these some middlemen you contract to get you a job? Like an athlete's/actor's agent? I only had experience with recruiters who work for the organisation I'm interviewing for. None of this contact info / skills tampering makes sense in that context.

Rather than wait for applications, some companies will hire third party recruiters to find candidates to apply. Some will have in-house recruiters doing the same. If they find a successful candidate, they're paid with commission. Sometimes, being contacted by one is the only way to apply.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by kirykl »

wanderingstan wrote: post #422
NoOneNew wrote: post #393

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I was just thinking this. If it's labeled as an optional skill or something like that, I see nothing wrong with it. Applicant has no reason to lie about it. Have confidence in their other skills. At the same time, we have this new thing called search engines. If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. Even better for the company. A person who won't lie and/or can research out BS for the…

> If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. If you're a qualified dev, you'd more likely conclude that it's a mistake on the part of whoever wrote the listing. I've seen skills listed like "Microsoft UML" or "Python, PHD, Nodes", so wouldn't think much of seeing "MOVA".

Job listing at old company once required COBALT experience.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by panzagl »

ant6n wrote: post #247
practicalpants wrote: post #110

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Yep, for my first programming job out of college a recruiter arranged an onsite interview for a Java role, when I was under every impression it was for Ruby/Rails. I don't know Java. The first interviewer laughed and walked out. I explained things to the recruiter, he cursed, said he would "visit the Ruby team upstairs". He actually managed to setup an impromptu on-site interview with the Ruby team on that same day.…

I once applied for an internship at EA and thought I was invited for an interview on C. They gave me some C++ code to fix, which I didn't know, it wasn't on my CV. They just said "well this code is basically C", although I was pretty confused about those extra "&" the whole time, and it was a pretty rough experience. In the end I didn't get the job, but their response said I didn't get it because the found that my ex…

In C++ '&'s are like garlic, just add them until the code tastes good. See also Java and the 'static' keyword.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

cosmodisk wrote: post #483
halostatue wrote: post #387

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C# and Java the language are similar enough; the ecosystems are very different. A C# developer would mostly be expecting to develop Windows programs or possibly Windows server / IIS applications. A Java developer could be working on all kinds of different things.

I do most of my development in a what looks like a watered down version of JAVA. Last year I had to dive into C# and asp.bet for a bit. I felt like at home. The language makes sense,there are hardly any surprises and most of its features are excellent. You are right, however, that the ecosystem itself is different and it will take some time to get used to it. However, unless a company hires a contractor on a short te…

Even one month - two months is a long time for any non-esoteric language except maybe C++ (even that one I doubt) for any developer with experience picking up multiple languages. Most teams are actively working on making their ecosystems easy to pick up for beginners.

That is, unless the company in question has made a complete mess of their pipeline and aren't aware or unwilling to admit it.

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Post by twodave »

ufmace wrote: post #443
halostatue wrote: post #387

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C# and Java the language are similar enough; the ecosystems are very different. A C# developer would mostly be expecting to develop Windows programs or possibly Windows server / IIS applications. A Java developer could be working on all kinds of different things.

Yup. Very similar language, but good luck going from ASP.NET MVC to Spring Boot without missing a beat. Or from WinForms and WPF to Swing and whatever else is new and hot in Java-land. Not to mention NuGet vs Maven, EntityFramework vs Hibernate, etc.

I think this hides/hints at a greater point, though. C# or Java is a technology choice (among many, such as which ORM to use or even whether to use an ORM at all). All technology choices have an impact, and, in my experience working with both of these and other languages, it's just as likely for two shops that chose the same programming language to have made enough other different technology choices to make the transition challenging.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dehrmann »

dandanua wrote: post #71
MetalHead wrote: post #18

"MOVA" is literally a "language" in Ukrainian

Russian chauvinists also like to call Ukrainian language as fake. So this looks like a bad Russian joke.

Doesn't Ukraine also mean "borderland?"

It's actually funny which name for countries ends up getting borrowed. The Finnish word for Finland is Suomi. The Swedish word for Finland is Finland. Ironically, the Swedish word for Sweden is Sverige, but at least you can see the Sw/Sv commonality.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by bluGill »

908B64B197 wrote: post #511
halostatue wrote: post #387

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C# and Java the language are similar enough; the ecosystems are very different. A C# developer would mostly be expecting to develop Windows programs or possibly Windows server / IIS applications. A Java developer could be working on all kinds of different things.

If someone can't learn a new ecosystem, I have bad news for them in this industry. Also, rejecting someone because they can't rote memorize ecosystem specific incantations is... a pretty big red flag.

The problem isn't can I learn, the problem is do you want to wait. You need a few great developers who have a lot of experience to ensure that a mess that is hard to clean up isn't main. If you have a 10 great developers who know how to do whatever right, then 100 other great developers who no nothing about the whatever can learn. However without those 10 experts in the domain to start with nobody knows what the right decisions are in the first place - in 3 years they will realize their mistakes but by then it is too hard to fix them.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by delfinom »

hnbear wrote: post #394

Definitely the recruiter. They destroy resumes. Best/worse experience - walked into the interview and the interviewer asked if I preferred to go by first name or last name. I said I'm happy to be Alex, but don't hugely mind. He said - no "First Name, or Last Name", and showed me the resume. The recruiter had stripped off header, slapped on theirs, with logos and all, and forgotten to change their boilerplate, so my n…

Can't tell if interviewer was being open minded or empty headed

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by npsimons »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #439
NoOneNew wrote: post #393

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I was just thinking this. If it's labeled as an optional skill or something like that, I see nothing wrong with it. Applicant has no reason to lie about it. Have confidence in their other skills. At the same time, we have this new thing called search engines. If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. Even better for the company. A person who won't lie and/or can research out BS for the…

> If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. Eh... maybe , but there are obscure languages/platforms that don't search well.

I consider myself fairly well versed (at least breadth-wise) in programming languages and general IT, and I'm still surprised at least once every six months when something crops up I've just never heard of before. The two most recent examples are Conan[0] and Slurm[1].

[0] - https://conan.io/

[1] - https://slurm.schedmd.com/

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