So how long before this gets used for spam ala pingbacks?
It's been around for over 8 years. Is spam a problem with webmentions so far?
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#92Pingbacks are back, baby! What is old is new again, except this time is centralized, so hopefully with less spam but also less independence once FAANG acquire the service.
When did we all end up so pessimistic? An interesting new idea with little more than an MVP, and we've already mapped out its whole demise.
25 years watching the development of the internet, will do that to most people.
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#93At first, I didn't get it. Pingbacks, isn't that from the 90s? Then, I thought: does this mean the bar for joining a conversation on my publication is that you have to publish something too? That seems like a nice bar to set for asking both parties in a conversation to be fully engaged. Trolls seem like they will be too lazy to do that.
Pingbacks come from the blogging-world. Originally the concept started with traceback in 2002 and evolved over time. It basically is a mean to create a kind of decentralized conversation where each persons response is hosted on their personal space, instead of a central one. Because of this communications are far slower and smaller, compared to a forum or services like twitter. But they are also usually more focused and of higher quality, because responses tend to be full fledged articles, written to an uninformed audience, instead of some direct responsing text-barf.
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#94And what is a "web mention"?
Have you ever used twitter? There is a notification when someone answers or retweets a tweet of you. Webmention is basically this notification, but decentralized. Someone responds to an article of you and sends you a notification where you can find it. You then can shiw this under your article and respond back and allow your readers to read all this.
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#95I'm too young to know what are webmentions or pingbacks (love the band Pinback though), you should briefly mention what they are on your homepage.
When I first started blogging around 2004, pingbacks were very popular.
I remember setting up my blog so I could take a photo on my Motorola Razr, email it to a special address and it would get added to Flickr and then auto posted to my blogger blog.
I went to Glastonbury music festival, which got flooded and took some amusing photos. When I got home I discovered via messages added via pingbacks, that lots of people had found my blog post (I guess via Google search) and linked to it from their blog.
Even now I’m quite amazed at what was possible without Twitter and hashtags, all done using open protocols, and all on our own websites.
Update - thinking about it some more, I don’t think I had the ability to send emails from my phone back then. It’s hard to imagine that because these days it’s just totally the norm. I know that I did have the ability to send MMS messages which could include images, so I must have been using that in some way. In any case, I was able to take a picture while out and about, have it added to Flickr, have it posted in a blog post, and get pingbacks added to comments when people linked to my post, that was nearly 20 years ago!
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#96tip for those considering this - i use clientside webmentions for this so that it doesnt add to my build times - and lazy load it so it doesnt drain visitor battery/data: https://www.swyx.io/clientside-webmentions/
Now that I saw it on your site, I'm absolutely considering it. I think server-side is the way to go, though, as explained by one of the webmentions on your post: https://nicolas-hoizey.com/articles/2020/05/05/jamstack-is-f...
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. This is my interest. I don't want to a cluster of likes and tweets. But I do want link notifications. I need to rely to Google for this currently.
You can also look at the referrers in your webserver logs. It’s just that someone has to click on the link for it to appear in your logs. And you can discover referrer spam!
Browsers are not guaranteed to send Referer headers and some choose not to (or send fake ones) due to the privacy implications.
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#98tip for those considering this - i use clientside webmentions for this so that it doesnt add to my build times - and lazy load it so it doesnt drain visitor battery/data: https://www.swyx.io/clientside-webmentions/
Now that I saw it on your site, I'm absolutely considering it. I think server-side is the way to go, though, as explained by one of the webmentions on your post: https://nicolas-hoizey.com/articles/2020/05/05/jamstack-is-f...
i sleep fine at night with the amount of JS i ship on my personal site lol. i'm sympathetic to alex russell's perf complaints, but JS bulimia isn't healthy either.
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#99I'm too young to know what are webmentions or pingbacks (love the band Pinback though), you should briefly mention what they are on your homepage.
When I first started blogging around 2004, pingbacks were very popular. I remember setting up my blog so I could take a photo on my Motorola Razr, email it to a special address and it would get added to Flickr and then auto posted to my blogger blog. I went to Glastonbury music festival, which got flooded and took some amusing photos. When I got home I discovered via messages added via pingbacks, that lots of people…
I seem to remember that some providers had some sort of SMS/MMSEmail setup such that you could email a [phone number]@[provider.com] address and the recipient would get an SMS and be able to reply. Maybe something like that?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can also look at the referrers in your webserver logs. It’s just that someone has to click on the link for it to appear in your logs. And you can discover referrer spam!
Browsers are not guaranteed to send Referer headers and some choose not to (or send fake ones) due to the privacy implications.
Good point. But, in the absence of any other solution, there is at least some data there, sitting in the log files.