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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by snowflake_ptr » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

tempodox wrote: post #269

pacman2 wrote: post #244

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"The whole recruitment process seems broken " The IT market is pretty good compared to other fields but in the and, the market might have collapsed already. ""The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism" is a well-known[1][2] 1970 paper by economist George Akerlof which examines how the quality of goods traded in a market can degrade in the presence of information asymmetry between buyers and…

In Johnathan Swift's “Gulliver's Travels” (published 1726) it is stated that fraudulent behavior needs to be punished systematically since the erosion of trust will eventually destroy a market. Your comment describes a situation where exactly that happened. It is frustrating to see such an important (and simple) lesson, known literally for centuries, get forgotten or ignored.

Huh, this seems possibly relevant to politics in America right now...

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by junippor » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

dxdm wrote: post #196

junippor wrote: post #195

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---> the joke ---> your head

My head, too. That's a pretty high-flying joke, and I'm happy that the other comment cleared up the situation for us ground dwellers.

"Yazyk - Язык" is "language" is Russian. You know, because Russia took Crimea and eastern Ukraine is in civil war.

I learned Russian just so I could make politically edgy jokes, so this seemed like a good opportunity. Hopefully this will allow other ground dwellers to have a chuckle.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by ndespres » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

Had a similar experience when I showed up to an interview for a Windows sysadmin job that a recruiter had arranged. First thing they said was "so your resume says you have 5 years of AS/400 system administration experience?"

I think I was 22 years old at the time and had never seen AS/400 in my life, and told them so. They showed me a copy of my resume which had AS/400 and a few other skills falsely inserted by the recruiter. They appreciated my honesty and did call me back for another open position later, and told me they'd fired that recruiter.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by genedan » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

dmos62 wrote: post #126

Serious question: if you're applying for positions you're not totally confident in your experience and skillset, do you inflate your resume? My thinking goes that if I slip in by being dishonest, I'll be nervous of being found out, feel an intruder. So being honest and taking a longer time looking for match would get more comfort later on.

No, the lies will just snowball on day one when you find out you can't do the job.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by Cederfjard » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

dunefox wrote: post #210

dmos62 wrote: post #102

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But it would be fun?

Fun doesn't make money.

Relationships do, though, and people also tend to like having them. And having fun.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by rkalla » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:24 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

Is anyone surprised FB has this culture?

This would be like me leaving little breadcrumbs of an affair for my SO to find and then have it all culminate in an "AH HA! I caught you snooping!" when they call me out on it.

So... healthy...

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by jefftk » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

You don't list it as a requirement; list it as something that would be nice to have.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by jefftk » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM UTC

rkalla wrote: post #346

falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

Is anyone surprised FB has this culture? This would be like me leaving little breadcrumbs of an affair for my SO to find and then have it all culminate in an "AH HA! I caught you snooping!" when they call me out on it. So... healthy...

This isn't a post from Facebook Inc, this is a post from a random person on Facebook.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by mos_basik » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

isolli wrote: post #202

indy wrote: post #137

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It was Fooled by Randomness. (Randomly enough I was reading that book for the first time yesterday)

Thanks. I hope you enjoy it :) And I really don't recommend reading the Black Swan, especially after reading Fooled by Randomness!

I'm interested in why you hold that opinion of Black Swan.

I just read it a couple of months back because I figured I probably owed reading some Taleb as back table stakes for all the hours I've spent reading HN (and SSC). Picked Black Swan because it seemed to be the most well known and I've never liked jumping into a series with the most recent release. I enjoyed it, will read more of him, but haven't yet.

Do you have an order recommendation?

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by einpoklum » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

grey_earthling wrote: post #206

slimsag wrote: post #108

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My sister worked at a recruitment company for a while and basically described the same. They set targets for everyone that were basically not achievable ever, and managers were expected to basically personally berate you for not meeting them and place you on warning to get you to work harder and more hours. She wasn't in a position to lose a job at the time, and felt she had no other choice but to begin lying about n…

> She wasn't in a position to lose a job at the time This is an example of what universal basic income is intended to prevent.

Also strong independent labor unions.