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Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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Rust (the video game) lost all EU server data w/o restore https://twitter.com/playrust/status/1369611688539009025

Now that is weird. I fully understand not having a backup service in place, but no data backup either?

TBF "data" here means the state of the gameworld which anyway resets entirely every 2 weeks or every month, so it's not exactly a big deal, everyone constantly start over in Rust.

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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I think the question here, then is of subjective value. AWS may charge more for egress, but that’s not high enough for it to be a concern for most clients. A bigger, independent concern is probably that there should be sufficient redundancy, backups and such that allows for business continuity. (Note again that I’m not saying that all companies make full use of these features, but those that care for such things do.…

I've never heard of any data centre burning down (and I work in this industry), so never hearing of an AWS DC burning down isn't really saying anything about AWS.

I remember hosting.ua DC mysteriously "catch fire"

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AWS and GCP are also prone to same kind of data loss if the AZ you are operating in goes down. They don't automatically geo-replicate things. You still need a backup for the torched EC2 instance to be able to relaunch in another AZ/region.

That's true, but it seems whole of SBG region for OVH is within same disaster radius for one fire... with SBG2 destroyed and SBG1 partly damaged. "The whole site has been isolated, which impacts all our services on SBG1, SBG2, SBG3 and SBG4. " Wonder if those SBGx were advertised as being the same as "Availability Zones" - when other cloud providers ensure zones are distanced enough from each other (~1km at least) to…

They were not and never advertised as anything similar to AZ. You could not deploy in SBG1,2,3, etc. You only pick city = Strasbourg at deploy time. It's merely a building marker.

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If a fire supression kicks in or the fire department shows up with their hoses, would they still say the fire destroyed it or just say destroyed due to fire and water damage? Also, fire suppression system do fail. There was an infamous incident in LA for one of the studios. They built a warehouse to be a tape vault with tapes going back to the 80s. A fire started, but the suppression system failed because there was n…

It wasn’t just “tapes going back to the 80s.” Those were just the media Universal initially admitted to losing. No, that building was the mother lode. It had film archives going back over 50 years, and worst of all — unreleased audio tape masters for thousands upon thousands of recording artists. The amount of “remastered” album potential that fire destroyed is probably in the billions of dollars, let alone the histo…

In 1996 Surinam lost many of their government archives after a fire burned the building down.

I can find surprisingly few English-language resources for this (only Dutch ones); guess it's a combination of a small country + before the internet really took off.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4&fmt=18

Because of course it was Bryan :D

Brian just giving his opinion on anything would give hard drives errors... That guy loves to run his mouth (and I love to listen).

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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Not done any research into it, but I always thought OVH was supposed to be a very budget VPS service primarily for personal use rather than business. Although thought it was akin to having a Raspberry Pi plugged in at home. Again, I may be completely wrong but why would you not use AWS/GCP? Even if it's complexity, Amazon have Lightsail, or if it's cost I thought DigitalOcean was one of the only reputable business-gr…

OVH STARTED as a budget VPS service some 20 years ago... but they grew a lot since 6-7 years, adding more "cloud" services and capabilities, even not on par with the main players... Why not use AWS/GCP? From my personal point of view: as a French citizen, I'm more and more convinced that I can't completly trust the (US) big boys for my own safety. Trump showed that "US interest" is far more important than "customer i…

> Google is showing quite regurlaly that it's not a reliable business partner

Interesting, any examples?

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You cant imagine it yet big chunk of the independent internet runs on small vps servers. There isnt much difference between DO and OVH, Hetzner, Vultr, Linode... not sure why DO would be better. I mean its US company doing marketing right. Thats the difference. Plus ovh/hetzner have only EU locations. I think small bussinesses like smaller simple providers instead of bigclouds. Its different philosophy if you are afr…

I can think of a lot of big differences. For one you can get much larger machines at OVH and Hetzner with fancy storage configurations for your database if desired (e.g. Optane for your indices, magnetic drives for your transaction log, and raided SSDs for the tables) They also don't charge for bandwidth, although some of those other providers have a generous free bandwidth and cheap overage.

> Optane for your indices

At OVH? If so, their US data centers don't seem to have that option.

Not that I need it. The largest database I run could easily fit in RAM on a reasonably sized dedicated box.

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Not done any research into it, but I always thought OVH was supposed to be a very budget VPS service primarily for personal use rather than business. Although thought it was akin to having a Raspberry Pi plugged in at home. Again, I may be completely wrong but why would you not use AWS/GCP? Even if it's complexity, Amazon have Lightsail, or if it's cost I thought DigitalOcean was one of the only reputable business-gr…

AWS is a total and utter ripoff compared to the price/performance, DDoS protection & unmetered bandwidth provided by OVH.

If all you need is compute, storage, and a pipe, all the big cloud providers are a total ripoff and you should look elsewhere. The big ones only make sense if you are leveraging their managed features or if you need extreme elasticity with little chance of a problem scaling up in real time.

OVH is one of the better deals for bare metal, but there are even better ones for bandwidth. You have to shop around a lot.

Also be sure you have a recovery plan... even with the big providers. These days risks include not only physical stuff but some stupid bot shutting you off because it thinks you violated TOS or is reacting to a possibly malicious complaint.

We had a bot at AWS gank some test systems once because it thought we were cryptocurrency mining with free credits. We weren’t, but we were doing very CPU intensive testing. I’ve heard of this and worse happening elsewhere. DDOS detector and IDS bots are particularly notorious.

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I'm at OVH as well (in the BHS datacenter, fortunately). I run my entire production system on one beefy machine. The apps and database are replicated to a backup machine hosted with Hetzner (in their Germany datacenter). I also run a tiny VM at OVH which proxies all traffic to Hetzner. I use a failover IP to point at the big rig at OVH. If the main machine fails, I move the failover IP to the VM, which sends all traf…

Are you me, by any chance? :-) I also run our entire production system on one beefy machine at OVH, and replicate to a similar machine at Hetzner. In case of a failure, we just change DNS, which has a 1 hour TTL. We've needed to do an unplanned fail-over only once in over 10 years. And like you, I have an extra replica at the office, because it feels safe having a physical copy of the data literally at hand.

Same but with a regular offline physical copy (cheap nas). One of my worries is a malicious destruction of the backups if anything worms its way in my network
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