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We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure. Recruiters can spray and pray with candidates the way candidates can spray and pray with applications. They're not going to be great quality, but if you're paid commission on a hire and the recruitment channel can handle the load... what's to stop the recruiter?
Spray and pay works for sending people a little underqualified for a job. Sending people who don't know why they've been put forward for a job under false pretences just means the client won't interview any more candidates you send, especially if that candidate is plenty employable enough not to bother bluffing their way through. And unlike candidates, recruiters can potentially get paid to fill a lot of a company's…
The good recruiter matches the right candidate to the right company. The dysfunction is a property of the system and is borne by everyone.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#293> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. hmm, I've found 3 jobs today I'm absolutely perfect for and this one that I'm nearly perfect for but wants some experience in something called Mova. Guess I just send a resume to the 3 jobs I'm perfect for.
You could still send your resume to the company but not lie about having MOVA experience. They are called job "requirements" but companies often hire someone that is the best fit even if they miss out on one of the requirements. Of course, some companies also have a hard filter against requirements that you wouldn't get past, but you won't know unless you send your resume.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#294> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
>I've been to plenty of interviews where my CV hasn't been given more than a glance. I have a fake programming language on my resume, has been there for years. To top it off, I used a well known video game cheat code. I've been hired several times with that on my resume, so far no one has ever mentioned it.
I also have years of experience in Konami Code.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#295> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
>I've been to plenty of interviews where my CV hasn't been given more than a glance. I have a fake programming language on my resume, has been there for years. To top it off, I used a well known video game cheat code. I've been hired several times with that on my resume, so far no one has ever mentioned it.
So what, you've listed like 5 years experience in UUDDLRLRBA?
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
When hiring, we filter applications on what they claim on the CV but also actually dig into the required skills on interview. If we find a mismatch, it invalidates the candidate as a whole. If someone claims 8 years of MOVA but doesn't know basic stuff about MOVA semantics, they were either lying, they are incompetent, or they have been coasting.
When I started interviewing I used to do that, until I realised it would eliminate about 20% of all useful candidates. The killer is c++. The industry is filled with people who have vague memories of trying to use C++ in the 90s before switching to Java or c# as quickly as possible, but still put C++ on their resume. In reality they can't even do basic tasks like reading a file into an array. Knocking them out becaus…
People also have different priorities. I never wrote an application in C++ and don't care about boring but practical stuff like the file API or syntax.
But I like learning about C++. It has many interesting features and concepts. Understanding those, their design trade-offs, how and why it differs from other languages (e.g. Rust) is fun. So I know more about "advanced" C++ than I know about "basic" C++.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#297> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
>I've been to plenty of interviews where my CV hasn't been given more than a glance. I have a fake programming language on my resume, has been there for years. To top it off, I used a well known video game cheat code. I've been hired several times with that on my resume, so far no one has ever mentioned it.
There are so many programming languages out there, as a hiring manager it’s not uncommon for me to see resumes with languages I’ve never heard of and probably don’t care much about. The cheat code just depends on how it has been inserted into the resume.
If I threw out every resume with some weird quirk, spelling or grammar issue, layout problem, etc. I’d probably never hire anyone
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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"language" in Ukrainian is "yazyk".
No, in practice it is мова, and modern standard Ukrainian mainly uses inherited Common Slavonic *językŭ ‘tongue (organ); language’ only in its meaning ‘tongue’. The article for "Ukrainian language" at the Ukrainian Wikipedia is literally "Українська мова" [0] [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97...
So in guessing ова is pronounced ova?
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#299> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
Similar situation for me on the other side. Interviewing a guy that would be my colleague. Asked him a few things about his resume, he gave me an odd look then asked, "May I see that?" When I handed it to him he scanned it over, handed it back to me and said, "This is an utter fabrication." We hired him (interview went on discussing the job, his actual background, etc.) and he was really good, but I don't know what m…
This is a wonderful vignette. Efficient use of dialogue.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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I really hated ColdFusion. It made PHP hacks seem like beautiful poetry. So it’s funny that ColdFusion folks would complain about any stupid recruiter. But CF peeps are people too. My opinion is based on having to fix a lot of CF code from people who were “faking it until they could hire prepend to make it.” It’s funny that Allaire now runs RStudio and when I learned that I considered not using it anymore because of…
I used to hate CF until I came across the fusebox pattern/framework[1]. I think they were some of the first to draw up a sane architecture for "template" languages (cf, php, asp, jsp etc). Much like a book I picked up on sale about asp[2] - it really drove home the point that a programming language really needs to be terrible before it is the main problem - rather than how you use it. See also xmlhttprequest/Ajax and…
I didn’t use CF professionally until 2000 and started with fusebox. I think fusebox was a good idea, but still CF sucked to use as a developer (me comparing it to cgi, php, asp, java).
I stopped using CF in 2001, but the fusebox ideas stuck with me as I worked with other web frameworks like struts, spring, other mvc stuff.