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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by arethuza » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 10:57 AM UTC

that_guy_iain wrote: post #180

arethuza wrote: post #131

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In my experience proficiency in UML almost always indicates that someone is not what I would regard as an "expert engineer".

In my experience if someone can't read UML and know how to write a decorator pattern something is up. Honestly, I've never used it in depth but for design patterns I expect people who are "seniors" to understand it. And I expect any expert to be able to look at UML and get the gist of it. On a side note about design patterns, once as a junior I was at a digital agency and they were doing an in-house tech talk where o…

What about all the different types of diagrams?

Use cases, activity diagrams, deployment diagrams etc.

Yeah - 'informal' UML use a lot of people are happy with but some things like exactly what some of the features of activity diagrams mean is amazingly badly understood by a lot of people.

I'm ok with the 'UML as sketch' approach, but 'UML as blueprint' is a nightmare that I've never seen work:

https://martinfowler.com/bliki/UmlAsSketch.html

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by harel » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:00 AM UTC

prepend wrote: post #185

harel wrote: post #156

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As far as I'm aware ColdFusion is a bunch of "firsts" and in particular the first "Application Server".

PHP templated before CF (94 v 95), but I feel like the concept was around long before. I’m not sure what you mean by “application server” but there were in memory modules for web servers earlier than CF (eg, CGI). I think CF was around before ASP, Java, and JSP. But it always seemed like a commercial version of PHP to me. Looking at Wikipedia’s list of application servers [0] there’s quite a few older than CF (Tuxedo…

Maybe "First web specific application server" in the sense of a server specifically serving dynamic HTML output over the web" is better? I'm not vouching for the accuracy of this statement.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by blackshaw » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:00 AM UTC

zelos wrote: post #80

pliny wrote: post #78

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You can trade money for plants

Explain how?

Press F2 to go into "Buy Mode", then you can buy houseplants with your Simoleons.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by Mediterraneo10 » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:01 AM UTC

junippor wrote: post #134

MetalHead wrote: post #18

"MOVA" is literally a "language" in Ukrainian

"language" in Ukrainian is "yazyk".

No, in practice it is мова, and modern standard Ukrainian mainly uses inherited Common Slavonic *językŭ ‘tongue (organ); language’ only in its meaning ‘tongue’. The article for "Ukrainian language" at the Ukrainian Wikipedia is literally "Українська мова" [0]

[0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97...

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by junippor » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:06 AM UTC

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #194

junippor wrote: post #134

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"language" in Ukrainian is "yazyk".

No, in practice it is мова, and modern standard Ukrainian mainly uses inherited Common Slavonic *językŭ ‘tongue (organ); language’ only in its meaning ‘tongue’. The article for "Ukrainian language" at the Ukrainian Wikipedia is literally "Українська мова" [0] [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97...

---> the joke --->

your head

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dxdm » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:11 AM UTC

junippor wrote: post #195

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #194

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No, in practice it is мова, and modern standard Ukrainian mainly uses inherited Common Slavonic *językŭ ‘tongue (organ); language’ only in its meaning ‘tongue’. The article for "Ukrainian language" at the Ukrainian Wikipedia is literally "Українська мова" [0] [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97...

---> the joke ---> your head

My head, too. That's a pretty high-flying joke, and I'm happy that the other comment cleared up the situation for us ground dwellers.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by eingaeKaiy8ujie » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:14 AM UTC

junippor wrote: post #195

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #194

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No, in practice it is мова, and modern standard Ukrainian mainly uses inherited Common Slavonic *językŭ ‘tongue (organ); language’ only in its meaning ‘tongue’. The article for "Ukrainian language" at the Ukrainian Wikipedia is literally "Українська мова" [0] [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97...

---> the joke ---> your head

just don't joke like that in Ukraine

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by snickerer » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:14 AM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #151

habosa wrote: post #122

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This is why some recruiters demand a DOCX of a resume, not just a PDF. They edit them before submitting them to postings. Sometimes they're honest edits to improve your chances, but mostly it's lying to get you in the door.

I’ve been using latex for my CV for years. If they ask for an editable version I just send them the .tex file. I’ve never come across any edited versions at interview.

The same here! I tell them that I don't own MS Word and that I don't know how to use it. If that's deal-breaker then I don't want to work with this recruiter.

But I must add that I am only looking for C Linux coder contracts.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dmos62 » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:16 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #113

dmos62 wrote: post #111

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I'm intrigued. In the fable the game is a clever test of knightsmanship. What makes you wary of this sort of situation?

It's been a while since I've read it, but doesn't someone get decapitated in that clever test of knightsmanship?

Well yes, Greenknight gets his head lobed off, but he then puts it back on. The scary part is that in a year's time he'll get to return the favor (but doesn't, because it was a test of chivalry (and the protagonist was chivalrous)). Wikipedia has a synopsis.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dunefox » Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:17 AM UTC

eecc wrote: post #160

slimsag wrote: post #108

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My sister worked at a recruitment company for a while and basically described the same. They set targets for everyone that were basically not achievable ever, and managers were expected to basically personally berate you for not meeting them and place you on warning to get you to work harder and more hours. She wasn't in a position to lose a job at the time, and felt she had no other choice but to begin lying about n…

Outside? I got mobbed an entire year while doing tech support for a what-used-to-be poster child of successful tech. Manager would randomly chronometer the time it took me to answer tickets and warned me I spent too much time thinking before typing responses... (turned out the rest of the team was just smarter and pretended to work hard: hitting backspace as often as they typed other random words... oh but the displa…

At my last job I wasn't micro- but nano-managed - the "project manager" sometimes sat next to me and looked at me while I was debugging code. The IT sector definitely has its share of morons.