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Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

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Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

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post #16

The sad truth is that COVID accelerated xenophobia and isolationism throughout the world, and Japan is no exception.

How is this controversial?

Humans have an innate bias to trust members of their own social group more than strangers and it takes effort to correct this bias. When under (perceived) threat this in/out thinking is exacerbated.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#62
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things would be a lot clearer if positivity rate was the reportable number, not absolute number of positive tests. This would also encourage countries to test more rather than less.

What's the point of a positivity rate in this case though if the testing is so varied. For example, you can't really give an accurate picture if one day 1000 tests are performed and the next day, 9000 ?

Maybe what is wrong is our media-fuelled expectation that we should have perfect day-to-day metrics, rather than 5- or 10-day averages.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#63

This is such a painful situation for Japan. When I visited a couple a years ago the preparations were still going full force. They were so proud and looking forward to hosting it. Really think they are between a rock and a hard place with any decision. This together with all the sub-human conditions the workers in Qatar for the football world championship make it seem like organising events like this not something I…

> This together with all the sub-human conditions the workers in Qatar for the football world championship

Are they not simply de factō slaves? deprived of a right to leave at their choosing?

That the world accepts this shows well the hypocrisy of man. — I suppose that for all of his theoretical abhorrence by slavery, a good football match weights heavier than that.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#64

This seems like the worst outcome for Japan and best outcome for the IOC. Japan incurs all the cost of hosting the Olympics while reaping none of the tourist yen, while the IOC gets paid the broadcasting fee. At this point the optimal outcome for Japan is probably to cancel the game altogether. Is it an example of the political pull of the IOC? The Asian culture of face-saving? Or plain old sunk cost fallacy? I hones…

What's the alternative, really? Essentially letting billions of $ of infrastructure go to complete waste? That said, I agree with you. Then again the host city always pulls the shit end of the stick when organizing such an event.

> Essentially letting billions of $ of infrastructure go to complete waste?

This is indeed what is called a sunk cost fallacy.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#65
post #2

Looks like a few things going on: Vaccination in JP lags the US and UK. A survey found 75% of locals don't favor foreign visitors for the Olympics. They are fearful of SARS-COV-2 variants. On the other hand, why not allow foreigners who can prove they are vaccinated with the vaccine that immunizes against variants and also get the locals vaccinated? And, implicitly, if Japan isn't trusting vaccines, should other coun…

> A survey found 75% of locals don't favor foreign visitors for the Olympics.

Lol, it's Japan. I bet on any given day you could find that 75% of locals don't favor foreign something. (To be fair, they are not unique in this)

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

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This is such a painful situation for Japan. When I visited a couple a years ago the preparations were still going full force. They were so proud and looking forward to hosting it. Really think they are between a rock and a hard place with any decision. This together with all the sub-human conditions the workers in Qatar for the football world championship make it seem like organising events like this not something I…

Are their any actual legit studies that have shown if hosting an olympics is worth it for the overall economy or not?

For example I think the olympics put Barcelona on the map for a lot of tourists and they’ve been reaping the rewards since, but it seems to me that’s more of an exception than the rule.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#67
post #26
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it gives the population something to look forward to.

We arnt looking forward to it. We never really wanted it. Edit: sorry that's a bit generic, but I have never heard anyone say they are looking forward to the Olympics locally, pre covid, and post, I hear a lot of people wtf'ing it's going ahead. It's completely anecdotal, but as a private teacher at 4 different schools I have a wide pool.

It would not surprise me if only 10% of the population cared.

But 10% is quite a large number for any event, and sure to bring in quite a bit of profit. Name me a concert that 10% of the population claims to wish to attend?

The majority indeed does not care, but a sufficiently high number does that it is profitable.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#68
post #15

> it peaked at more than 2,500 cases per day in Tokyo That's 0.027% of the population of Tokyo per day in a city that has over 6,000 people packed in per square kilometer. By comparison, Idaho has a population density of 7.64 people per square kilometer, and right now the infection rate there is 0.021% of its population per day. That's only a 30% difference in percentage of population infected per day, but there are…

> Whatever Tokyo is doing to keep COVID under control with such a crazy high population density, it looks like we've got an entire state over here in the U.S. that could still learn some of the basics. I lived in Japan, have many friends there whom I keep in touch with, and watch the local news regularly. The restrictions in the major cities have been substantially fewer than we've had here in the US. There have been…

Conversely to the US they've had pretty strict quarantine rules and since January completely blocked all immigration. However some have said their domestic travel campaign may have been worse for the virus than a few legal immigrants who had to quarantine and be tested before and after landing.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#69

This seems like the worst outcome for Japan and best outcome for the IOC. Japan incurs all the cost of hosting the Olympics while reaping none of the tourist yen, while the IOC gets paid the broadcasting fee. At this point the optimal outcome for Japan is probably to cancel the game altogether. Is it an example of the political pull of the IOC? The Asian culture of face-saving? Or plain old sunk cost fallacy? I hones…

I visited Japan a few months before the pandemic hit and it is really sad thinking back now. There was a real effort from the airport in Tokyo to as far away as Osaka and Kyoto accommodating for foreign languages and really showing off Japanese culture. At the time it felt like I was being practised on - so sad to see all that effort go to waste.

Re: Japan to stage Tokyo Olympics without overseas spectators

#70

This is such a painful situation for Japan. When I visited a couple a years ago the preparations were still going full force. They were so proud and looking forward to hosting it. Really think they are between a rock and a hard place with any decision. This together with all the sub-human conditions the workers in Qatar for the football world championship make it seem like organising events like this not something I…

> This together with all the sub-human conditions the workers in Qatar for the football world championship Are they not simply de factō slaves? deprived of a right to leave at their choosing? That the world accepts this shows well the hypocrisy of man. — I suppose that for all of his theoretical abhorrence by slavery, a good football match weights heavier than that.

I don't think "the world accepts it", but they are resigned to the fact that the moneyed interests powering these events are unstoppable. Which may or may not be true. Some of the opposition is even tactically waiting for the best time to make a stand - which might well be when the country is most exposed. See for example how the Yemeni Houti rebels tried to hit a Formula E event in Saudi Arabia with missiles.

The worst thing, imho, is that Qatar is not even remotely the worst actor in the region. A World Cup in Saudi Arabia might well be inevitable over the next 20 years, and that will be even worse.

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