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Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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Absolutely worth it, however I'd offer a few short tips: 1. Try to stay in one place for a few months, minimum. If you can stay a year or two, do that. Jumping from city to city every week seems exciting at first, but it quickly makes everywhere feel the same. 2. To quote Lao Tzu, when your work is done, forget it. If you work remotely, actively disconnect at the end of the day. It's too easy to be constantly plugged…

How do you manage to stay long-term on a foreign country, immigration-wise?

Depending on your nationality, a lot of countries have flexible tourist visas. For example, Americans can visit Armenia for 6 months, Albania for 12 months, Georgia for 12 months, India for 6 months at a time (up to 10 years), and so on.

In Europe, you also have many countries outside of the Schengen area, meaning that you can do three months in one then hop to another. E.g. spend 3 months in Berlin, then 3 months in Kyiv, then 3 months in Paris, then three months in Belgrade.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

#112

Absolutely worth it, however I'd offer a few short tips: 1. Try to stay in one place for a few months, minimum. If you can stay a year or two, do that. Jumping from city to city every week seems exciting at first, but it quickly makes everywhere feel the same. 2. To quote Lao Tzu, when your work is done, forget it. If you work remotely, actively disconnect at the end of the day. It's too easy to be constantly plugged…

How do you manage to stay long-term on a foreign country, immigration-wise?

As long as you don't need to look for employment locally, it's relatively easy and inexpensive to get a long-term (12 months plus) visa. I enquired with immigration lawyers in three different EU countries where this was possible, and ended up obtaining a three-year visa in a fourth country. I would estimate this cost about 500 EUR.

If you have a lot of money (hundreds of thousands up to millions), you can effectively buy residency in most countries around the world.

Other countries allow border-running to renew your visa, some countries issue longer visa's on arrival, etc, etc.

Mostly, this all depends on your financial means, which country you choose to spend a longer time in, your levels of determination, and the skill of the immigration lawyer you choose.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I didn't want to quit my job entirely, I just wanted to reduce it to part-time and spend the rest of the time writing my book [1]. My plan was to start with a transatlantic cruise from Colombia to Portugal in spring 2020 and then do some digital nomading in southern Spain and Portugal.

The cruise got cancelled and I spent 3/4 of the year stuck at home. I only managed to "escape" to Serbia in summer when the country opened its borders without requiring PCR test.

This year I was waiting to see where I could go. Some balkan countries like Montenegro, North Macedonia and Albania opened their borders, again without requiring the PCR test. I went and spent three weeks in Montenegro as pure vacation and after that moved to Albania where I am now. The situation in Montenegro got worse and the country has many restrictions in place now, while Albania remains open, including restaurants.

I am Czech and the situation in the Czech Republic is bad. The restrictions in place prevent anyone from having a normal life...

Now I only work on the book, nomading in Albania. Here in Durrës the life is not only normal, but fairly cheap and with amazing sea food. I pay 90 EUR/week for an apartment and go to have sea food lunch every day for like 5-8 EUR.

[1]: https://efficientdeveloper.com

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

#114
I saved and invested 80-90% of my after tax income (as a pharmacist) for eight years. I planned to just backpack for the rest of my life from age 32 onwards.

After the fifth night of European hostel living and walking around during the day, I was bored. Meeting new people was fun for a bit but after a while it felt the same. A month later I was complaining to my friend that I was bored out of my mind and she got me a job at her hospital. I started working again a few months after that.

Three months into working I wanted to quit again. But I didn't want a repeat of history, so I decided I was going to settle down in Cluj-Napoca Romania, a city I passed through before. Cost of living, safety, English speaking, friendliness of locals, political stability all were considered. Now I've been living here for over a year and living with a girl I met on day three of arriving. We're both learning web dev together.

Many days I still feel meh, but I can't expect life to be endless excitement. Definitely meaningful and emotionally more stable to be in a long term relationship, though.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

#115

I'd love to hear concretely what you guys who traveled actually gained from traveling the world? Because I always hear that it's really exciting and you get to go to exciting places - but what exactly did you gain in terms of perspectives besides your instagram pictures and cocktail stories? I've never get beyond this superficial in hearing people's travel stories online and IRL. Maybe it's just me; but the idea of g…

Firstly: agree that there are some aspects of travelling that will be looked down upon in the future, particularly exploiting the difference in the cost of living. But travelling was massively beneficial for me. I'll focus on the biggest trip, which was a year backpacking.

> what you guys who traveled actually gained from traveling the world?

* I worked and rented in another country. So I had to work out how to do that, and work in a different type of business environment.

* Developed key life skills: organising things, budgeting extremely tightly, Coped with emergencies abroad.

* Building confidence. For example, driving all kinds of vehicle, learning to speak to and bond with anyone at all from a cold start.

* Staying with families in different countries and seeing how they lived, how they treated their kids, and their priorities. This was very formative in deciding how to live my life.

* Understanding the politics of the world better. I spent time with a guy from the Economist who had just spent months sleeping rough in India. I still think about his insights into the way the world works. I played cards with a relative of the president of fiji. Etc.

* Understanding the history of the world better - for example, the origins of the industrial revolution in the USA, or the Ho Chi Minh tunnels, or the fate of aboriginal people in Australia.

* Physical fitness. Learnt to scuba dive, climbed mountains, rock climbed, hiked a gazillion miles, hell just carrying 25kg for the year was a good workout. Some of this could have been done in my own country, but it would have been very different.

* Removing stress and having space. After a while the stresses of travelling become fairly routine and you have a lot of time to relax on journeys and think about what you want to do with your life. That really shaped how I've lived since. Just sitting in a bus on a long road in a very different country you can watch how people live and it gets you thinking. How close are their families? Do I want to live like that? How do informal networks replace more structured western timetables etc.

* Gratitude. Live with a cold bucket of water for a shower for a while. Sleep in a hut full of rats. You'll soon learn to appreciate that hot shower in your bathroom and the comfy bed. Honestly, even now there are few days I forget to appreciate that shower when I step into it. And this trip was over 10 years ago.

* A very Hacker News point for me: I found I really missed computers. I didn't think I'd be a geek for the rest of my life but after that trip I realised how much I just like machines. Being in a different environment brought that into sharp focus, being deprived of it then (as a real example) coming across a Linux box in a hut somewhere. They're so neat and tidy and orderly and enabling, you can be endlessly creative. I only had a burner phone (and that was only for a part of the year) and this was the era of internet cafes, so no nerding for a year.

* Spending quite a while in one place, indeed learning a bit of the language, reading about the culture, and then through local contacts really experiencing ceremonies that were pretty out there by western standards. It helped me understand the diversity of the world, where different cultures were at, and the size of cultural boundaries.

* Friends. Met a lot of travellers. I did hardly any of the "party" backpacking thing but I met people on the way, and one couple I met have become life long friends.

* Seeing the extent of human suffering in the world. I'm not sure I want to say too much about this, but it really hammers home the message - we have a long way to go, and there are many problems to devote your life to.

* Understanding a lot about the universality of the human condition by seeing the same patterns in different places. For example, social drug taking.

* Finding "paradise" in several places, which shall remain nameless, and having that experience of dozing in a hammock on a beautiful beach that isn't on a tourist brochure. It was a beautiful experience but it also made it clear to me that just enjoying life was not enough for me. Have to build something.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dating apps, couch surfing, and getting out of the house & going where the people are. Expat groups on Facebook and WhatsApp, too.

As someone with mild social anxiety, the thought of doing something like that is utterly alien, even in my own country let alone somewhere else. I don't mean in a "i wouldn't do that" sort of way, but in an "i cannot even imagine/does not compute" sort of way. Anyhow, good on you for living life :)

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Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I saved and invested 80-90% of my after tax income (as a pharmacist) for eight years. I planned to just backpack for the rest of my life from age 32 onwards. After the fifth night of European hostel living and walking around during the day, I was bored. Meeting new people was fun for a bit but after a while it felt the same. A month later I was complaining to my friend that I was bored out of my mind and she got me a…

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Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

#120

I'd love to hear concretely what you guys who traveled actually gained from traveling the world? Because I always hear that it's really exciting and you get to go to exciting places - but what exactly did you gain in terms of perspectives besides your instagram pictures and cocktail stories? I've never get beyond this superficial in hearing people's travel stories online and IRL. Maybe it's just me; but the idea of g…

You are largely right. Western ideas of tourism feed off this idea "I'm a traveller, everyone else is a tourist sheep." Asian tourists generally don't seem to have the same pretensions and are happy getting coached around.

Walking around busy temples and stuff can be pretty hard because people don't want anyone else in their photo. It has to look like they just chanced upon this ancient temple in the jungle, rather than getting a minibus there with 20 other people.

Sometimes the more savvy local tour companies cotton on to this and market to "travellers", but I liked it when locals just called us all "tourists" because that's really what we are. Yes, it's another form of consumerism.

I spent a year backpacking and it was mostly seeing cool places. I don't think it really changed me, but then I have worked and studied abroad before (there I go, pointing out how I'm not like the others!!). Considering those experiences too, I think there are two main things you're missing:

1) People who genuinely find hostel slogans like "live at the edge of your existence" deeply inspirational are probably late teens/early 20s and so for them it's all wrapped up in being independent, moving out of their childhood home, experimenting etc. Possibly the first time they've been out of their home culture and so even standard, Western backpacker hostels is a big jump.

2) A lot of people really find scary and challenging things you might be more comfortable with. Lots of people live within a few miles of where they grew up. If they go abroad, it's a package holiday on a resort full of people from their home country. Maybe a city break to be adventurous. Even though backpacking in SE Asia etc is heavily commodified, it's still a pretty small fraction of people who would even consider it.

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