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Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

izelnakri wrote: post #39
lhorie wrote: post #25

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He said in the past that he's not interested in implementing HMR[0] [0] https://github.com/evanw/esbuild/issues/97

I'm actually very happy that esbuild doesnt have HMR by default. Despite the fact that most frontend devs loving/hyping HMR, I prefer live-reloads more because it refetches data/makes network calls and run my route hooks without any additional step. This is particularly important when you run your application tests in the browser(thats better than running app tests in CI btw) and change these test files constantly. T…

Agree I hope Vite has a way to easily turn it off. Never understood the appeal. Way more fun to "see" what you’re going for in your mind and write more at once and see what happens, then react compulsively to a tight feedback loop. I think these features sometimes don’t make us better developers. I’m sure it has some good uses, personally never needed it.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by privatenumber »

esbuild has flipped the JS community on its head. Not only as an impressive JS bundler, but through all the next gen tooling esbuild is powering.

For example, you can now speed up your Webpack build with esbuild by replacing babel-loader/ts-loader/Terser: https://github.com/privatenumber/esbuild-loader

(It also blows my mind that Evan is the CTO is Figma. How is he so productive!?)

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by kraig »

jayair wrote: post #57

We love esbuild and we use it internally for SST https://github.com/serverless-stack/serverless-stack . The work Evan does is seriously impressive.

as a heavy user of CDK, sst looks pretty cool.

i'm curious why you didn't go the direction of adding this functionality to CDK directly? i'd like to use some of the functionality in here like live lambda development, but i also don't want to take on converting my org's already built CDK extensions and deal with migrations.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by matt7340 »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #37

The JS & frontend world is _seriously fun_ right now. If you blew it all off as a quagmire of complexity, sketchy engineering, treadmill of tools, etc... it's time to re-evaluate everything. I have more fun and feel more productive working on modern frontend stuff with tools like esbuild than any other GUI programming I've done in 30 years.

I definitely agree with this in general, but there are exceptions where it’s still a quagmire. Angular, for example.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by pandemic_region »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #60
Scramblejams wrote: post #44

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Yep, I tried front-end way back and hated it. Can you mention some other tech that should be covered in my re-evaluation?

React & next.js are worth evaluating. It's a super powerful full stack with everything from server side rendered data (REST APIs even) all the way to complete client-side SPAs, all using the same react components. It's a slick little swiss-army knife that can make anything from a basic blog with markdown content, to a static marketing page, to a full client-first PWA experience. There is sadly almost nothing else rea…

Yet none of the stuff you mention here will live beyond the next two years. Fun is as much as i would describe the js ecosystem, for more boring corporate use banking on these is the equivalent of getting a trojan horse in the application portfolio.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by johnfn »

pandemic_region wrote: post #66
qbasic_forever wrote: post #60

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React & next.js are worth evaluating. It's a super powerful full stack with everything from server side rendered data (REST APIs even) all the way to complete client-side SPAs, all using the same react components. It's a slick little swiss-army knife that can make anything from a basic blog with markdown content, to a static marketing page, to a full client-first PWA experience. There is sadly almost nothing else rea…

Yet none of the stuff you mention here will live beyond the next two years. Fun is as much as i would describe the js ecosystem, for more boring corporate use banking on these is the equivalent of getting a trojan horse in the application portfolio.

React won't live past two years? What?

I'd be willing to stake money on React, Vue, next.js and Svelte surviving at least 2 more years - roughly in descending order of probability, though all three well above 50%.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by asattarmd »

pandemic_region wrote: post #66
qbasic_forever wrote: post #60

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React & next.js are worth evaluating. It's a super powerful full stack with everything from server side rendered data (REST APIs even) all the way to complete client-side SPAs, all using the same react components. It's a slick little swiss-army knife that can make anything from a basic blog with markdown content, to a static marketing page, to a full client-first PWA experience. There is sadly almost nothing else rea…

Yet none of the stuff you mention here will live beyond the next two years. Fun is as much as i would describe the js ecosystem, for more boring corporate use banking on these is the equivalent of getting a trojan horse in the application portfolio.

React was released in 2013, that’s 8 years.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by qbasic_forever »

pandemic_region wrote: post #66
qbasic_forever wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React & next.js are worth evaluating. It's a super powerful full stack with everything from server side rendered data (REST APIs even) all the way to complete client-side SPAs, all using the same react components. It's a slick little swiss-army knife that can make anything from a basic blog with markdown content, to a static marketing page, to a full client-first PWA experience. There is sadly almost nothing else rea…

Yet none of the stuff you mention here will live beyond the next two years. Fun is as much as i would describe the js ecosystem, for more boring corporate use banking on these is the equivalent of getting a trojan horse in the application portfolio.

And I personally can't wait to see what amazing things the creators of these component systems will land on next...

Next.js is pretty corporate-friendly. Very easy to split things up and have many folks and teams working on monoliths or services with it.

Re: Esbuild 0.9

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Post by swyx »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #37

The JS & frontend world is _seriously fun_ right now. If you blew it all off as a quagmire of complexity, sketchy engineering, treadmill of tools, etc... it's time to re-evaluate everything. I have more fun and feel more productive working on modern frontend stuff with tools like esbuild than any other GUI programming I've done in 30 years.

totally! i have been developing a thesis around this I call the "Third Age" of JavaScript - TLDR: the arc of history is toward ES Modules, and polyglot tooling, like esbuild. Creating much faster dev tools and user experiences.

http://swyx.io/js-third-age

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