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5k Year Old Bog Oak Table: Digging up 4k-year-old trees for furniture

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When moving day comes around, I'm guessing you have to offer more than just beer & pizza when it comes to moving a 43' table.

I would say, in case of this table, "if you have to ask for price you can't afford it".

Just the raw wood material probably costs a fortune. Given the fact there aren't many people that can produce anything out of it I assume that the prices are astronomical.

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post #9

In New Zealand, there are old swamplands filled with swamp Kauri. Around a year ago, construction workers found a 16 m (52 ft) long log which had been buried underground for 40,000 years [1] They used to dig up $200 million worth of timber a year, mostly exported to China, until the government cracked down on exports. It's illegal to export unfinished native timber, so exporters exploited a loophole by cutting the tr…

The limits of regulation. There is no way to plug all loopholes. That said, the added labor ensures a more finished product is exported. Was that the intent, or was the intent to force the wood to stay in NZ?

Lawmakers are slow and playing defense all of the time. You're always a step behind when you have to react to moves.

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post #18

I had never heard of bog oak before, but this material is absolutely stunning. I really wish there was more appreciation of proper heirloom-quality furniture and things in general. I think it's part of making living more ecological, and it's a form of generational wealth. Unfortunately we live in an era of cheapest possible items, and disposal of things when they go out of style. Something like this never goes out of…

Ikea has made millennials think furniture is disposable.

We're not stupid or tasteless, we just don't have enough money to buy furniture that is actually nice. Also, it's not like we can afford to own homes so Ikea futons in a studio apartment it is.

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post #9

In New Zealand, there are old swamplands filled with swamp Kauri. Around a year ago, construction workers found a 16 m (52 ft) long log which had been buried underground for 40,000 years [1] They used to dig up $200 million worth of timber a year, mostly exported to China, until the government cracked down on exports. It's illegal to export unfinished native timber, so exporters exploited a loophole by cutting the tr…

The limits of regulation. There is no way to plug all loopholes. That said, the added labor ensures a more finished product is exported. Was that the intent, or was the intent to force the wood to stay in NZ?

Yes, but still better than no regulations. It's an arms race.

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post #18

I had never heard of bog oak before, but this material is absolutely stunning. I really wish there was more appreciation of proper heirloom-quality furniture and things in general. I think it's part of making living more ecological, and it's a form of generational wealth. Unfortunately we live in an era of cheapest possible items, and disposal of things when they go out of style. Something like this never goes out of…

I was watching that show called Antique Archeology.

It’s basically two grifters from Iowa who take the good stuff from hoarders, and collectors.

This one guy (Jersey John) pull out a 1886 Windsor chair, and acting like he’s doing the owner a favor by offered the guy $25. The owner shot back with, “I can get $40 at a yard sale?”

Anyhoo—it just reminded me how far we have gotten away from buying beautiful handmade things that will last forever, and going with junk make in the cheapest country.

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post #18

I had never heard of bog oak before, but this material is absolutely stunning. I really wish there was more appreciation of proper heirloom-quality furniture and things in general. I think it's part of making living more ecological, and it's a form of generational wealth. Unfortunately we live in an era of cheapest possible items, and disposal of things when they go out of style. Something like this never goes out of…

Ikea has made millennials think furniture is disposable.

That's a shallow dismissal.

IKEA has been around longer than millennials have.

And some IKEA products last forever.

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post #18

I had never heard of bog oak before, but this material is absolutely stunning. I really wish there was more appreciation of proper heirloom-quality furniture and things in general. I think it's part of making living more ecological, and it's a form of generational wealth. Unfortunately we live in an era of cheapest possible items, and disposal of things when they go out of style. Something like this never goes out of…

Ikea has made millennials think furniture is disposable.

I think that's a bit misplaced, as millenials are in their 40's now, so they probably don't just throw things away like you assume. But also...

I used to live out in the woods and had to haul my garbage to the dump every few months. (I didn't want to burn plastic, like some of my crazy neighbors did.)

The city dump changes seasonally. After Christmas, there are piles of old toys that were replaced. After summer, there are hundreds of discarded blue-plastic kid pools. After fall there is a TON of furniture. I have no idea why: do people buy more furniture in the fall in preparation for holidays?

Anyway, I see more cheap furniture from Target and department stores than I do IKEA. Ikea is inexpensive furniture, but vastly better than Walmart, Target, Sam's Club, etc. So I didn't see a lot of IKEA at the dump.

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The limits of regulation. There is no way to plug all loopholes. Sure there is. Just ban export of wood and wooden items.

Then you find wood called "cellulose products" and the cycle starts again. It's impossible to limit creativity, and also why would a government want to pursue a ban as it impacts negatively woodworkers?

>Then you find wood called "cellulose products" and the cycle starts again.

Inventing new words doesn't magically absolve you of crimes, you know.

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The limits of regulation. There is no way to plug all loopholes. That said, the added labor ensures a more finished product is exported. Was that the intent, or was the intent to force the wood to stay in NZ?

Yes, but still better than no regulations. It's an arms race.

Why is that better, specific to this instance?

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Old growth woods like these are obviously unbelievably unique (and expensive).

But even if you can't find or afford anything like that, if you are ever remodeling, it's worth reusing weathered but intact lumber from your house when possible.

I pulled and reused about 50 ft of existing redwood 2x6 off my house recently as part of a remodel, refinished it with shou sugi ban (Japanese wood burning technique) and built a new gate structure with it, and it turned out beautiful.

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