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Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

#201

So how will the people who would have worked in a shop like this, afford to shop for food? In Sweden this probably isn’t as big of an issue, but not every country is as socially conscious.

Is your point that there should never be a job displacing technology or that retail workers are a special class that should be protected from automation?

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

#202
The BankID service seems to trip up many people here.

Swedish residents have a personal identity number issued at birth or immigration. Format: YYYYMMDD-NNNN. More details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity_number_(Swed...

BankID is a service run by the Swedish banks that interfaces with the banks, individuals and third parties (like this chain of unmanned stores).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID

The banks know the identities (personal identify number) of their customers via their physical offices. BankID offers an app to individuals and an online API to paying/approved third-party services. Third-party services are able to offer BankID authentication in websites and apps. In the end the third party receives an authenticated personal identity number.

There is growing awareness that this service should not be run by private companies/banks.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which EU countries have cigarette vending machines? I've never seen such a thing, in the countries I shop they're behind a cashier. Sometimes even hidden so that if you don't know what to ask for you're not getting it.

Germany, Austria, Italy at least.

In Germany, cigarette vending machines were incredibly common until around 15 years ago, but I haven't seen one in ages. Between stricter age verification requirements, a decline in smoking in general, and vandalism towards those machines, the profit margin was probably stretched too slim to continue maintaining these machines.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Swedish bank account with Swedish Bank ID. Do they have a work around for non Swedish users?

I'm reminded of a redditor commenting how he visited a music festival in Sweden as a foreigner, and how annoying it was for him, because all the food stands were expecting the Swedish payment system. And he couldn't even ask other visitors to buy stuff for him and take his cash, because the Swedes were very cash-averse.

Most people nowadays carry very little (if any) cash. However, I really doubt it would be a problem to find someone to buy food for you if you give them cash.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in rural towns are also as honest as they come, but even so I'd expect trouble by youngsters. But maybe the cameras are enough of a deterrent. I could also see a solution where you need to identify yourself in order to be let in through the doors. If you have been spotted letting someone else in who proceeds to steal or vandalize, that person could be held accountable.

> I could also see a solution where you need to identify yourself in order to be let in through the doors. The article explains that it requires BankID authentication and a pre-registered banking card to enter.

I see, somehow I missed that. Well, then I think they have their bases covered. Looking forward to trying one out.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #5

So how will the people who would have worked in a shop like this, afford to shop for food? In Sweden this probably isn’t as big of an issue, but not every country is as socially conscious.

Yea I see more problems with this than benefits. Sure it's nice to have during corona times but what about after it when it's not necessary anymore?

If it's necessary during COVID times, it could still be beneficial during non COVID times. Even if COVID goes away, there are plenty of other viruses lurking around that kill lots of people each year.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #162

There will be a market for both automated and manned grocery stores in the future. Until we have developed artificial general intelligence, I wouldn't trust a computer to recommend a cheese to with a certain kind of crackers. In stores with a reasonably wide selection of goods, I usually have to ask for the location of at least one thing. Although locating stuff _could_ be solved by looking it up with an app, I would…

My store will shop for you, and deliver to your car. So if you value the time, that's a solution here.

You still have to make an order for everything you need and then go to the store to collect it. So the only time you really save here is the difference between collecting stuff from the physical shelves and the online counterpart.

Cant imagine that being more than a couple of minutes of saved time for me.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

#208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I use self service checkout, it always takes much longer time for me to get through. I guess I am not so good at quickly juggling and locating bar codes at each item as the staff working at checkout are. So I leave it to professionals.

I’m slower also, but I still think it’s worth doing myself to avoid interaction.

In addition to avoiding interaction, I also prefer not standing there awkwardly while people work for me. I can't help the checkout clerk scan my groceries faster, and (if there is one in that lane) I'd just get in the way of the baggers, so I just have to stand there letting them serve me. I don't like that feeling of power/superiority/(not quite sure how to phrase it). It's the same reason I don't like mani pedis.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #162

There will be a market for both automated and manned grocery stores in the future. Until we have developed artificial general intelligence, I wouldn't trust a computer to recommend a cheese to with a certain kind of crackers. In stores with a reasonably wide selection of goods, I usually have to ask for the location of at least one thing. Although locating stuff _could_ be solved by looking it up with an app, I would…

There can be one person making recommendations remotely for 10 stores. That same person can be sitting in front of an interactive map which allows them to look up the location of items and since there is a a camera in the store they will know where you are in relation to the item to direct you.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #162

There will be a market for both automated and manned grocery stores in the future. Until we have developed artificial general intelligence, I wouldn't trust a computer to recommend a cheese to with a certain kind of crackers. In stores with a reasonably wide selection of goods, I usually have to ask for the location of at least one thing. Although locating stuff _could_ be solved by looking it up with an app, I would…

This seems like a strange counterfactual to insist on when the article is empirical evidence that, in this case, there wasn't a market for both kinds of stores and that people weren't willing to pay the markup.
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