What are you using for virtual browser? I open sourced my virtual browser component here: https://github.com/i5ik/ViewFinderJS
Launch HN: Axiom (YC W21) – No-code browser automation a.k.a. RPA for everyone
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#72The site uses words like Spreadsheet, Desktop, and GUI and appears to be supported by SAP. Does this support direct integration with Win32, Java, SAP (GUI), Citrix, or anything else that is not driven by the browser?
The SAP support is through startup investment, like YC, we were part of SAP.io Berlin: https://sap.io/portfolio/
Re: Launch HN: Axiom (YC W21) – No-code browser automation a.k.a. RPA for everyone
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting! If any puppeteer developers would also find it useful, let us know - it's always good to know something is wanted before you make it.
Check out Headless Recorder. It records browser interactions and generates Puppeteer and Playwright scripts. https://github.com/checkly/headless-recorder
This outputs a series of clicks and keyboard events. It doesn't handle the logic necessary for most JS-heavy web-apps.
Scraping an infinite scroll is a good example. A naive algorithm is - scroll, wait, scrape, scroll, wait, scrape...
We have a slightly more sophisticated algorithm to deal with this. Also, what happens when you encounter a page with multiple iframes?
I'm essentially talking about a library which works with higher-level abstractions than just click and type, perhaps 'ScrapeInfiniteScroll' - and similar operations.
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#75I'll start by saying unlike a majority of HN readers I am non-technical. I am an axiom customer and have had interactions with Yaseer, Alex, and Simon and must say they are very communicative and helpful! I use the product for some order fulfillment automation with one of my suppliers and it works great. If you have a project it might help with I say give it a shot especially since they now have a free tier!
We think our value prop is better suited to automating a business process, like order fulfilment (and other processes in e-commerce).
There are definitely better scrapers out there than axiom, particularly LinkedIn scrapers. We find axiom is better suited to e-commerce cases like yours though.
Re: Launch HN: Axiom (YC W21) – No-code browser automation a.k.a. RPA for everyone
#76I'll start by saying unlike a majority of HN readers I am non-technical. I am an axiom customer and have had interactions with Yaseer, Alex, and Simon and must say they are very communicative and helpful! I use the product for some order fulfillment automation with one of my suppliers and it works great. If you have a project it might help with I say give it a shot especially since they now have a free tier!
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#77Been applying to YC with this idea since 2015 and been knocked back 12 times now. Congrats on getting in and getting customers, is very inspiring to see more success in this market. I truly believe that unlocking the latent value in the structure of web apps is such a huge thing that's going to be a real game changer for the future. What are you using for virtual browser? I open sourced my virtual browser component h…
We've gone brute force, and actually just built a chrome RDP to a containerised browser in your local geography. It's working pretty well.
axiom evolved from an 'automation chatbot' idea originally - we applied to YC with that idea and didn't get in. I don't blame them, nobody wanted it!
We tried to sell it to customers and found the only part they wanted was the browser RPA we connected up to the chatbot. That eventually became axiom.
There's quite a few people who've tried this idea - we've studied the ones that failed pretty intently. The problem is never on making a tool that gets people interested, the problem is building a business out of that interest.
If you ever want to chat about your experiences in the same space, hit me up on (my HN name) AT axiom.ai
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#78Been applying to YC with this idea since 2015 and been knocked back 12 times now. Congrats on getting in and getting customers, is very inspiring to see more success in this market. I truly believe that unlocking the latent value in the structure of web apps is such a huge thing that's going to be a real game changer for the future. What are you using for virtual browser? I open sourced my virtual browser component h…
This is really neat! I'll have to look at this in more depth, you've got some traction on that github. We've gone brute force, and actually just built a chrome RDP to a containerised browser in your local geography. It's working pretty well. axiom evolved from an 'automation chatbot' idea originally - we applied to YC with that idea and didn't get in. I don't blame them, nobody wanted it! We tried to sell it to custo…
I do not think YC is about making something people want, even tho that's the dogma they spout. I reckon YC will knock you back even if can make, or do make, something people want. So it's not about that.
I've always applied on the premise that "I have this very basic prototype, I know this is a big market, my tool will be better, here's why, you should let me in". I wanted them to show faith and fund me from this idea stage, not wait for the rolling customer traction. The kind of faith they show with many other teams who don't have anything to tractioning at first, but have impressive credentials along some axes. They invest in people not ideas. And so I guess, I personally am just "not good enough" according to them. And you are. And that's OK, everybody likes different things. So that's a good vote of confidence for you, and I'm happy you've got that. I think it will help you definitely.
So..so much for my "white, male privilege" I even came from money and had a good education! I guess that just explodes that fake narrative. I'm a nobody, an outsider, not a Standard CS degree person, nor a protected minority. So from YC's point of view there's zero risk in them rejecting me, and from their perspective, there's no meat for them to invest in me. And GitHub stars don't mean anything at all to YC or investors or customers. I see GitHub just as a way to reach people and market. I guess it didn't help that I'm also sincerely pro-China, was a devout Trump believer, say what I think, non-conformist, and a solo founder, and... critical of YC, hahaha. Onetime I applied to YC and the pushed me to the China batch, but a lot of good that did, China didn't want me either, hahaha. Nice try, fellas. Whatever :p :) xx
I can also share some of my business thinking about this market. I agree the failure case is business-ability. I've also studied the failed ones. I think one main fail is people get sucked into becoming a bespoke consulting shop, lured by the hardness of a general solution, tech debt blocking them from making one, a couple big enterprise customers, and they get locked up doing that and can't scale. I've been aware of that since day 1 watching the failure of a couple others in this place, and I always had a different idea.
Still, YC doesn't care. I don't care that they think I'm not good enough for them, I'm happy for them they do what makes them happy. I know if they accepted me, they wouldn't feel happy nor comfortable with that, and I don't want them to do anything they wouldn't feel happy or comfortable with. I wouldn't want to be a spanner in their works, or their delicately oiled machine. From my view, I just figure it's their loss, because I exist outside the scope of what they are able to consider, I'm in the unassessable background, an unknown unknown to them. So that's my advantage, and their disadvantage. I see myself clearly as an outsider, so it doesn't matter at all to me that they do too, in fact it's nice to have something to agree on.
So much for "inclusivity". I guess tolerance for diversity doesn't extend to opinions and experiences. Guess those fake narratives are exploded, too. OH well.
Plus, I think it's better for me this way. It probably wouldn't do me any good to be part of YC anyway. But I keep applying, almost as a troll to them. Because I know their reaction is gonna be "reject". Of course, if they "let me in" I'll make it the best for me and use it to my advantage and make the most of this. But they never, ever will. And I also like to prove this is not about the things they say it is about, it's about something else. I think that's probably what applying to YC is about to me now. They will never fund me. And anyway, 120K is not that much. But it's really about the prestige, and valley access. At the same time, I think this path of 12 and counting YC rejections is the best possible thing for me -- I like getting told the message, "You will never be part of this exclusive club." because that makes me stronger, more resilient and self-reliant. I don't need your stupid club, anyway. Hahahah
At the same time, I think it's very good for you to get into YC, because I think that's going to be useful for you and I think you can make something great out of it, and that's what I wish for you and want to see. I truly think this market segment is so important, that democratizing access to unlocking the latent value in the structured data of the web is going to be such a game changer, so I welcome your speedy success along that axis. I'll enjoy to see it personally, and I also believe it will be good for my business, a rising tide lifts all boats, and I get to see the experiments you run and how you solve problems. It's not always best to be first. :)
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#79Hi, how do you compare your solution with UIPath? Thanks!
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like Microsoft Power Automate (Flow) is your biggest competitor? It's free for all Office 365 users (most people).
Yes, we've been monitoring Power Automate too! It's a different approach, coupled to automating the desktop office ecosystem, whereas we're coupled to web-apps, and web APIs alone. Secondly, it is more complicated, a bit more like Leapwork, whereas we're targeting Zapier-level complexity. Axiom is already too complex for many people (it's why we mainly target these no-code Zapier types). We've seen every marginal % i…