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Re: I want a computer that I own

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Income shouldn't be a barrier to having technology that you own completely, a concept that until recently was common.

Technology you don't own is cheaper because the provider can sell your data. I suppose it's a "good thing" there exists tech the poor can afford.

That's one reason, but economies of scale are another. If the movement to reject technology you don't own gained traction, the cost of joining that movement would also come down.

Re: I want a computer that I own

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I want to add that while the complexities of building a PC or understanding fundamentals of open source and licences is steep... For anyone who wants these constraints but is unwilling to be curious enough to learn the ways of DIY/makers is gonna get smashed on this forum IMO. I would hope to see a sub-thread of OP asking for "advice" on how to achieve a solution solo (unless I missed it...) . I am a huge advocate for [devs] building their own PC's for fundamental understandings..

Re: I want a computer that I own

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> Except for a handful of very over-priced models that I can't afford to buy. This statement here made me pause for a bit. He wants a computer with specific features, but doesn't want pay for the models that offer those features because they are too expensive? Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but unfortunately, reality has constraints.

They're not overpriced, they're expensive. And they are expensive because they are rare. And they are rare because vendors stopped manufacturing them. And vendors stopped manufacturing them because most people do not refuse to buy a device "that is designed largely to maximize the profits of the computer industry".

Re: I want a computer that I own

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> Except for a handful of very over-priced models that I can't afford to buy, our computers are increasingly designed to be little more than advertising platforms and vehicles for maximizing the cloud revenues of their true owners Huh? You can buy a very cheap used ThinkPad for <$200 and run GNU/Linux on it. In fact, I don’t see any mention of Linux in this article.

Apparently that's not safe either. "Even open source encryption algorithms that some claim are above reproach are repeatedly being shown to have major flaws, and the fixes to those flaws have their own major flaws."

Re: I want a computer that I own

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> Except for a handful of very over-priced models that I can't afford to buy. This statement here made me pause for a bit. He wants a computer with specific features, but doesn't want pay for the models that offer those features because they are too expensive? Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but unfortunately, reality has constraints.

Income shouldn't be a barrier to having technology that you own completely, a concept that until recently was common.

The issue is there is no true demand. Yeah, everyone kinda want a device they own - when faced a very direct question and explanation how things really really work. But typically most people don't even think about ownership of the devices they buy - or even falsely assume they "own" those. And those who are aware about the issue have to either pay premium for their rarity (if that's even available in their market - which is not always the case), or agree to not own a device.

So, yeah, ideally everyone should own what they buy, if they want so - and they should be aware what exactly they buy and what are the gotchas. But... how? I believe this "caveat emptor" informational disparity is a multimillenia-old issue.

(Fine print, obviously, doesn't work - because human nature.)

Re: I want a computer that I own

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There are approaches that can deliver large portions of this; run an open source linux distribution, running open source browser with open source tracker blocking software. You can run this on an inexpensive system and wipe out all external communication except what you specifically want. This is obviously unrealistic for most people. You can toggle off automatic feedback & updates in a modern OS and you can install…

If anyone is interested in an extremely secure linux distro: https://tails.boum.org/

Great for specific purposes, but not exactly a computer 'you own' and want to do things with.

Tails always starts from the same clean state and everything you do disappears automatically when you shut down Tails.

Ie, nothing persists, which means you loose everything each time.

OpenBSD is also an extremely secure operating system. But also not terribly practical as a long term desktop environment.

Plus it doesn't solve issues with underlying hardware trusts.

Re: I want a computer that I own

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> Except for a handful of very over-priced models that I can't afford to buy. This statement here made me pause for a bit. He wants a computer with specific features, but doesn't want pay for the models that offer those features because they are too expensive? Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but unfortunately, reality has constraints.

> He wants a computer with specific features, but doesn't want pay for the models that offer those features because they are too expensive? Correct. He wants a computer with less complexity and less spying "features", and the market is failing hard at that. > reality has constraints No, these are entirely artificial restrictions. Companies invested very significant efforts to implement DRM, management engine, AMT, al…

Surveillance is profitable for the computer manufacturers. The “barebones” version therefore costs more. SmartTV’s, cellphones, etc don’t make a lot per person but it’s enough you need to go up market to find any real privacy.

Re: I want a computer that I own

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post #8

> Except for a handful of very over-priced models that I can't afford to buy. This statement here made me pause for a bit. He wants a computer with specific features, but doesn't want pay for the models that offer those features because they are too expensive? Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but unfortunately, reality has constraints.

Income shouldn't be a barrier to having technology that you own completely, a concept that until recently was common.

Technology was also a hell of a lot less complicated until recently.

Re: I want a computer that I own

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> Perhaps I am looking for something like the x286 DOS computer I had in the early 1990's You can do an almost fully GPL compliant Linux desktop by building it yourself today. I can already see people thinking "but what about the closed source binary blobs? my video card? my network interfaces?" But even your 12 MHz 286 or 386SX/20 had closed source AMI or Phoenix BIOS firmware on it. The motherboard manufacturer in…

The amount of binary blobs (in bytes) on an early 90's system is absolutely tiny compared to what's on modern hardware.

Good security is about minimising the attack surface and risk, not reaching some ideal pie-in-the-sky complete and total trust.

Re: I want a computer that I own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the feeling you could be tempted to say more about that. Please elaborate?

I guess they mean the freedom (or lack thereof) of the software license that comes with your OS, ie. 'you should be able to hit the software with a metaphorical hammer', which technically isn't possible with the Windows 10 license.

I also think selecting parts is limited by the fact that there are so few manufacturers. Processors these days mostly come down to AMD or Intel and nothing there is transparent or audit-able. "trusted computing" and backdoors make even your hardware suspect.
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