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The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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>But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. Then argue what exactly is not true in my previous comment, not simply yell loudly about me spreading "Russian propaganda". Everything I wrote can be easily verified and fact checked. If you can not do that, then it's you, not me who got blinded by a propaganda machine.

Your Tsar has already uncovered your tactics https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoQXvPsBBn8

So let's be clear, you are unable to deny that my initial comment contains truth and truth only, correct?

As for your comment I haven't seen such pathetic attempt to troll in a while.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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It doesn't seem to have been a big genre, probably because of the difficulty of talking about secret agents in a country where secrecy was brutally enforced and the KGB were deeply feared. I can however reccomend the Italian bond knockoff genre, including the ridiculous OK Connery: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062078/?ref_=nm_knf_t1 Starring Neil Connery . Music by Ennio Morricone.

OK, now I have to see that!

And from tonight's bad film club, may I recommend this Czech time travel / twin swap screwball comedy with Nazis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVBPNfKfgNo

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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One of my favorite movies of all time is Kin Dza Dza. It's a low budget comedy sci-fi movie with amazing ideas and a surreal aesthetic, and is quite funny and gets better with each watch. It's a subtle criticism of the soviet union in the era before its fall. You'll be saying "Kuuuu" for days after watching it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza ! Edit: just noticed a critic quoted on wikipedia called it "Ma…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYHv8eJrW2Y This has English subtitles. At a glance, they seem quite good, which is, in a way, hilarious. English speakers, when you see "Without gravitsappa the pepelats can only fly like this" it is a good translation, and you are getting the authentic Kin-Dza-Dza experience. ---- On second look, though, "Guys, how do you roll out the pepelats without the gravitsappa? Not good." shou…

I'd likely translate "gravitsappa" as "gravigrabba".

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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The funny thing is that I'm from Luhansk and you are just parroting russian propaganda, Russia lost control over Ukraine when Yanukovich had run away, and at first annexed Crimea and then started a war in eastern Ukraine, Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian, but his just a Kremlin's puppet. Anyway, please, stop spreading russian propaganda

It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. If you are indeed from Luhansk, then you should know that everything I've said is factually true and you simply can not argue against it. >Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian While he indeed played a big role in the uprising (…

> It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment.

I see the following reasons: political discussions can be extremely long, and in any case are frowned upon here, and the chance of finding irrational stubbornness for this subject even here is high. So... we're agreeing to disagree then.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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I wish some soviet era standup comedian material was translatable to English. The jokes were layered in the way that made them funny, even to people who only grasped the surface layer.

I'm not sure if cultural background is required.

"Yesterday those lobsters were so big, really big, but sold for 5 roubles each. But today they are so small, pretty small, but sell for only 3 roubles. Should I have bought yesterday? Should I buy today? I have a frog..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkL54oQgf6I

One of the really good humoral references to Soviet cliches is "Lord of the Rings", translated by Goblin (e.g. here - https://oper.ru/trans/view.php?t=1039986472 ). Imagine Tolkien's heroes played by a sort of lumpen, with snippets of classical Soviet tunes, including patriotic ones, quotes from blockbuster Soviet movies, political jokes etc. - same video, but very different sound. It's a treasure trove of references, but pretty hard to appreciate to someone not familiar with culture. Every significant nation has their own stories of old which everybody knows, which helps people get together. And it's hard to enjoy to outsiders.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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1. Russians do not have common ancestry in Proto-Slavic, because ancestors of Rus people in majority did not even speak Slavic languages, but Baltic, and Finnic languages - Rus themselves initially spoke Scandinavian. Poland and NW area of Ukraine is place where Proto-Slavioc originated. Do your math. Бере-менна can not even be explained by Slavic language, or Proto... Baltic, but it can be explained by Swedish langu…

Please pick up a basic introductory textbook to the history of the Slavic languages. Your understanding of the relationship between them is very mistaken. If you want to read in Russian, I can recommend К. А. Войлова’s Старославянский язык , which describes not only what Old Church Slavonic is, but also the family tree of the Slavic languages in general and how Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian are not a direct desce…

After taking a quick glance on the book of К. А. Войлова "Старославянский язык" nothing really contradicts what I posted before about Old Church Slavonic place in creation of Russian. Also, if you are presenting your source it is up to you to quote where Russian is not descendant from Old Church Slavonic, to disprove me - I have no obligation whatsoever to comb whole book and make something up that proves your point. I had a different - more recent source that I read from Russian linguist(my memory is bad on names), where he discussed Old Church Slavonic and how it replaced most of local languages as a base to Russian and other modern East Slavic languages.

Also I think you are confused about these terms in English, where Old Church Slavonic == Старославянский язык Church Slavonic == Церковнославя́нский язы́к

>The Novgorod birchbark letters that were excavated over the 20th century attest some early East Slavic, noticeably different from the Old Church Slavonic language

That is correct, however what I wrote was completelly different: "All the survived early written texts of Rus are in Old Church Slavonic."

Besides, they were neither early East Slavonic or even classified as modern East Slavic and they are not directly related to Russian as well. Many of those Slavic can be classified as early Western Slavic at best.

>No, беременна is a native Slavic word and not a Swedish borrowing It seems, that I was wrong in this one(as pregnancy in most of Slavic languages use different word, but I did not search further, where Bulgarians use similar word for pregnancy). Sadly, that also means that Old Church Slavonic replaced everything else.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Please pick up a basic introductory textbook to the history of the Slavic languages. Your understanding of the relationship between them is very mistaken. If you want to read in Russian, I can recommend К. А. Войлова’s Старославянский язык , which describes not only what Old Church Slavonic is, but also the family tree of the Slavic languages in general and how Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian are not a direct desce…

After taking a quick glance on the book of К. А. Войлова "Старославянский язык" nothing really contradicts what I posted before about Old Church Slavonic place in creation of Russian. Also, if you are presenting your source it is up to you to quote where Russian is not descendant from Old Church Slavonic, to disprove me - I have no obligation whatsoever to comb whole book and make something up that proves your point.…

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