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On Being Blacklisted

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Re: On Being Blacklisted

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Is there anyone that wants to defend this blacklisting of the author by the Chicago Review for writing this article [0]? That is, not to reconfirm that they do indeed have the right to do so, but to argue that they are right to do so? Maybe some of us can avoid this fate if we understand the grounds for it, since they decline to make it explicit. What did he say that was not just wrong, but so wrong that he should no…

Yes? I've just read the article. It's a collection of crypto-fascist dog whistles about race; it barely merits being called an opinion. (It is an example of why the academic personnel pool needs the thorough cleaning it's currently getting.) Anyone who declined to associate with the author would be right to do so. There aren't many people who don't understand what this kind of article is really about. The Chicago Rev…

It seems like calling it a collection of dog whistles is directly addressed by this paragraph:

"The trouble is that Nazis are human beings, and they have many benign thoughts along with their antisemitism. So I might avoid repeating some ordinary, unthreatening statement uttered by someone with a Nazi reputation, lest you think that I sound like a Nazi. Soon only actual Nazis and a few weirdos who don’t care what other people think are willing to repeat these unthreatening statements — which now appear rather threatening. In this regime of self-censorship, even arguments defending academic freedom (which is not a traditional Nazi commitment!) or aesthetic judgment (a commitment shared by many people, including a few Nazis) can look like signs of crypto-Nazism. This increases the costs of honest discussion."

Re: On Being Blacklisted

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Yes? I've just read the article. It's a collection of crypto-fascist dog whistles about race; it barely merits being called an opinion. (It is an example of why the academic personnel pool needs the thorough cleaning it's currently getting.) Anyone who declined to associate with the author would be right to do so. There aren't many people who don't understand what this kind of article is really about. The Chicago Rev…

Did we read the same article?

The one in which the author objects to disciplining professors for racist conduct and refuses to update his curriculum to include a diversity of viewpoints because "the only good reason to study a work of literature is that literature itself has value?"

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Is there anyone that wants to defend this blacklisting of the author by the Chicago Review for writing this article [0]? That is, not to reconfirm that they do indeed have the right to do so, but to argue that they are right to do so? Maybe some of us can avoid this fate if we understand the grounds for it, since they decline to make it explicit. What did he say that was not just wrong, but so wrong that he should no…

Yes? I've just read the article. It's a collection of crypto-fascist dog whistles about race; it barely merits being called an opinion. (It is an example of why the academic personnel pool needs the thorough cleaning it's currently getting.) Anyone who declined to associate with the author would be right to do so. There aren't many people who don't understand what this kind of article is really about. The Chicago Rev…

> It's a collection of crypto-fascist dog whistles about race...

I must not be a dog, then, because I'm not hearing it. For those of us with less acute hearing, could you point out the dog whistles?

> ... it barely merits being called an opinion.

No, it has a definite opinion. You may not agree with it, you maybe would prefer to ignore it, but it is quite clearly there.

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Did we read the same article?

The one in which the author objects to disciplining professors for racist conduct and refuses to update his curriculum to include a diversity of viewpoints because "the only good reason to study a work of literature is that literature itself has value?"

Apparently we didn't.

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I'd never heard of this guy, but this is some good writing. The editors who blacklisted him display such abject cowardice when they say they are cancelling him because of the “reception” of his previous article in a different journal. Not because of what the article says, but because of its “reception.” This is the moral and intellectual equal of the 14 year old girl who won’t sit with Suzy in the cafeteria because s…

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You die on the hill you fight on > Blacklisting is an evil in itself, corrosive to the ideal of an open society, and to professional relationships in the small world of literary publishing in which this story takes place Author wants to take one for their team. Everyone will let them. If it's about the ideas, then you can always get those out there. If it has to be attached to your name, well, you're in the realm of…

Just the opposite, if what you were saying were even remotely true, we wouldn't attach names to anything, including scientific papers.

To suggest that people should hide behind pen-names to discuss the most important ideas of any given era is to accept and promote the vicious kind of black listing that is apparently happening all to frequently.

Names also provided a basis for reputation, we don't just publish any old bloggers words, that's not enough filter. Bloggers can blog, other institutions can publish.

The sane thing to do here is probably to publish his work if it meets basic editorial standards and that's it.

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It's closer to "you know, I wish this hadn't been released and I've decided that no one should be able to sell their copies of it ." According to wsj: > Online marketplace eBay Inc. said it is working to prevent the resale of six Dr. Seuss books that were pulled earlier this week by the company in charge of the late author’s works because they contain offensive imagery.

That's weird, I don't remember the book burning. I guess I must have missed it. I am sure it is totally impossible to get a copy of any of those books now that the publisher has decided to stop publishing them after 80 years.

Who said anything about book burnings? Claiming that it's just the owner of the work who decided not to sell it is not giving the full story, if it's not a lie by omission.

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People talking about this want both terms to be replaced at the same time. To believe otherwise is a willful victimhood fantasy.

Yet they will support an extreme swing of the pendulum. We need more than one simultaneous thought to guide us.

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It's closer to "you know, I wish this hadn't been released and I've decided that no one should be able to sell their copies of it ." According to wsj: > Online marketplace eBay Inc. said it is working to prevent the resale of six Dr. Seuss books that were pulled earlier this week by the company in charge of the late author’s works because they contain offensive imagery.

That's weird, I don't remember the book burning. I guess I must have missed it. I am sure it is totally impossible to get a copy of any of those books now that the publisher has decided to stop publishing them after 80 years.

Listings for them on Amazon are $800+ a pop now for used copies

Re: On Being Blacklisted

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There's also an ongoing 'cultural revolution' in which older artistic creations are being reassesed by modern political correctness. (see the recent ebay and Dr. Seuss news for a most recent example) I find this "revisionism" frightening. I fear it'll continue to get worse. I hope it does not.

The Dr. Seuss estate decided not to publish some of his works anymore because they believed they were no longer appropriate. I stand by the right of a work's owner to say, "you know, I wish this hadn't been released and I've decided not to sell it."

Except the author did no such thing. A corporate entity IP owner did. Those entities are subject to a myriad of whims, much the same as Nike or Apple.

It's laughably hypocritical in an era where pop culture is full of all kinds of 'offensive' material.

Go here, right now [1] to the Billboard Hot 100 and cruise down that list.

Over 50% of those songs are chock full of brutal misogyny, racism, sexism, violence, and all of the most vile and derelict behaviours we wold ever want to see in any person.

To think that EBay is 'banning' Dr. Seuss, but happily selling music that literally glorifies young men for murdering random people for looking at them the wrong way is a definite sign of social decline.

The author of this post is effectively correct.

The OP is correct to use Dr. Seuss as a point of concern eve if the owners of the IP have every right to stop publishing.

[1] https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100

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