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Re: Game Theory (2007)

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Post by kamranjon » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

protonfish wrote: post #40

kamranjon wrote: post #33

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Is this related in any way to the ideas Ayn Rand laid out with Objectivism?

No, not at all. It's about how it is strategically better for your own goals to work with others.

Though I got downvoted quite a bit I thought it was an interesting question about the relationship between Objectivism and Game Theory and found a couple links. Keep in mind that these are from the Atlas institute so they are surely very biased opinions, but I thought it was interesting to see the defense of Objectivism in regards to game theory questions.

One about game theory and its relation to Objectivism: https://www.atlassociety.org/post/game-theory-and-objectivis...

And another about the Prisoners Dilemma specifically and which touches on the Nash equilibria: https://www.atlassociety.org/post/prisoners-dilemma

And for people like me who are interested in the relationships between the two, here are some opinions of people from quora: https://www.quora.com/How-does-Objectivism-view-the-Nash-equ...

Re: Game Theory (2007)

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Post by thedudeabides5 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

kamranjon wrote: post #41

protonfish wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not at all. It's about how it is strategically better for your own goals to work with others.

Though I got downvoted quite a bit I thought it was an interesting question about the relationship between Objectivism and Game Theory and found a couple links. Keep in mind that these are from the Atlas institute so they are surely very biased opinions, but I thought it was interesting to see the defense of Objectivism in regards to game theory questions. One about game theory and its relation to Objectivism: https:…

It's a fair question, but the whole point of Axelrod /The Selfish Gene / Cooperative Games is to call out how much a game theory approach would support strategies which are anti-Objectivist. Where contributing to the commons, investing in public good, cooperating, radically grows the pie to the point where it's in everyone's self interest to cooperate.

Basically, times in life where it's a 'positive sum' as opposed to 'zero-sum' game.

Non-zero by Robert Wright, is probably the best synthesis on this topic.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9526993-nonzero

Re: Game Theory (2007)

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Post by protonfish » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:50 PM UTC

kamranjon wrote: post #41

protonfish wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not at all. It's about how it is strategically better for your own goals to work with others.

Though I got downvoted quite a bit I thought it was an interesting question about the relationship between Objectivism and Game Theory and found a couple links. Keep in mind that these are from the Atlas institute so they are surely very biased opinions, but I thought it was interesting to see the defense of Objectivism in regards to game theory questions. One about game theory and its relation to Objectivism: https:…

Sorry for the downvote. It was a good question, but I did not want to encourage a link between game theory and objectivism to the casual observer because I seem them as complete opposites. Objectivism is, at best, short-sighted - screwing over the people around you because it is convenient in the moment and becoming indignant when the folks that were mistreated no longer want to be your friend. (At worst it is justification for people that enjoy inflicting cruelty on others.) Game theory can demonstrate how to be truly selfish, it is in our best interest to be kind, thoughtful, and good communicators and to cultivate strong and healthy relationships.

Objectivism is just toxic foolishness.

Re: Game Theory (2007)

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Post by kamranjon » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

protonfish wrote: post #43

kamranjon wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I got downvoted quite a bit I thought it was an interesting question about the relationship between Objectivism and Game Theory and found a couple links. Keep in mind that these are from the Atlas institute so they are surely very biased opinions, but I thought it was interesting to see the defense of Objectivism in regards to game theory questions. One about game theory and its relation to Objectivism: https:…

Sorry for the downvote. It was a good question, but I did not want to encourage a link between game theory and objectivism to the casual observer because I seem them as complete opposites. Objectivism is, at best, short-sighted - screwing over the people around you because it is convenient in the moment and becoming indignant when the folks that were mistreated no longer want to be your friend. (At worst it is justif…

I actually think there are some parallels when you listen to Rand herself talk about cooperation in a selfish framework: https://youtu.be/CoAKer8lfds

I think she outlines cooperation as an intrinsic result when people are acting within their own self interests which I think was why I originally saw the relationship.

Re: Game Theory (2007)

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Post by hntrader » Tue, Mar 09, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

thedudeabides5 wrote: post #42

kamranjon wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I got downvoted quite a bit I thought it was an interesting question about the relationship between Objectivism and Game Theory and found a couple links. Keep in mind that these are from the Atlas institute so they are surely very biased opinions, but I thought it was interesting to see the defense of Objectivism in regards to game theory questions. One about game theory and its relation to Objectivism: https:…

It's a fair question, but the whole point of Axelrod /The Selfish Gene / Cooperative Games is to call out how much a game theory approach would support strategies which are anti-Objectivist. Where contributing to the commons, investing in public good, cooperating, radically grows the pie to the point where it's in everyone's self interest to cooperate. Basically, times in life where it's a 'positive sum' as opposed t…

How is cooperation anti-Objectivist? If the cooperation is voluntary and within your self-interest then it isn't incompatible.