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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by gerbilly »

lstodd wrote: post #337
randycupertino wrote: post #280

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Most childless couples I know feel it's unethical to have children with impending environmental collapse. Why would you want to bring children into the world with global warming, mass climate migration and other horrific things likely to happen within their lifetimes?

> Why would you want to bring children into the world with global warming, mass climate migration and other horrific things likely to happen within their lifetimes? Because not bringing them in is defeatism. Suicide in fact. If you want to solve the problem, children are ones who can do it, and your task is to prepare them to do it. If you flunk from this, you are the reason the world fails.

> If you want to solve the problem, children are ones who can do it

Yeah, but maybe not human children.

If anything we need more non human children on this planet, we are attempting to fish the oceans dry, there's less than 10% of old growth forests still in North America.

Almost every ecosystem on earth is severely degraded due to human activity. If aliens came to visit they might logically assume that humans are at war with nature.

We are living in a slow moving apocalypse and we don't even recognise that fact because we think that this is normal.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Robotbeat wrote: post #138
dysrend wrote: post #63

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What's your point?

I'm not sure, frankly, but I think there's a connection. A more sexless society is also a society with a lower overall birthrate. When the pressures of urbanization and modern life mean few people choose to have children while the trends in the article and in many of these comments show that people are less likely to accidentally/serendipitously become pregnant as well combine to somewhat drastically reduce the birth…

> A more sexless society is also a society with a lower overall birthrate.

Since the 1950s, basic living has steadily become increasingly complex and decreasingly affordable. Sex is harder for six exhausted roommates under one roof.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

tux1968 wrote: post #429
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #423

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So you'd wank a stranger off as soon as carry their bag?

Depends entirely on how much you're paying now doesn't it. But that wasn't the condition that the OP said made him comfortable. He said he'd be okay with legal sex work only as long as the person could otherwise live a life of comfort without the need to work. He didn't say he'd be okay with legal sex work as long as the person could have chosen to carry a bag instead.

Well they're pretty identical in effort, so the same - you apparently consider them to be entirely the same class of work with no moral/ethical difference.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by mixmastamyk »

prirun wrote: post #317

I have never understood why nudity and consensual sex - basically harmless activities - are deeply frowned on by the ratings groups, yet stabbing someone in the throat and having their blood gush out everywhere is fine and dandy. Everyone knows that men have dicks. Why is seeing one such a big deal? Or a butt for that matter: everybody has one! It's no wonder our society is screwed up when it comes to our bodies. We…

I used to think the same about gun play, and still do. But I realized what the driver is, having kids.

No one wants to watch people getting it on with their eleven-year-old. An adult rating makes an easy warning.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

throwawaysea wrote: post #301
Robotbeat wrote: post #138

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I'm not sure, frankly, but I think there's a connection. A more sexless society is also a society with a lower overall birthrate. When the pressures of urbanization and modern life mean few people choose to have children while the trends in the article and in many of these comments show that people are less likely to accidentally/serendipitously become pregnant as well combine to somewhat drastically reduce the birth…

It's probably many things, but I think another factor is a delayed transition to (biological) adulthood, which leaves fewer "prime years" for the tiring task of raising children. That delayed transition comes in part from an increased focus on the self. Although individualism is often attacked or derided in modern American culture (from the political left at least), I feel like there is a near-universal individualism…

> That delayed transition comes in part from an increased focus on the self.

Mostly no. It comes because modern hiring practices are trending toward making first time job applicants unemployable - and because under-25 incomes are less likely to come anywhere near covering minimal living expenses.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

omosubi wrote: post #112
EdwardDiego wrote: post #14

I think this is why British crime dramas / police procedurals seem to feel more real (to me, raised in a post-colonial country) - very few people look like temporarily financially embarrassed models slumming it as detectives.

I also like how much shorter british seasons are

US studios agree with you. Since the late 90's US series have been migrating from ~24/ea toward 6 or so.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by tux1968 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #623
tux1968 wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends entirely on how much you're paying now doesn't it. But that wasn't the condition that the OP said made him comfortable. He said he'd be okay with legal sex work only as long as the person could otherwise live a life of comfort without the need to work. He didn't say he'd be okay with legal sex work as long as the person could have chosen to carry a bag instead.

Well they're pretty identical in effort, so the same - you apparently consider them to be entirely the same class of work with no moral/ethical difference.

Lifting a pen to write a cheque for 10,000 is identical in effort to doing the same thing to write a cheque for 10. Physical effort is not the only criteria we use to assign value. I don't believe that it's ethical to enforce my moral/ethical beliefs on other consenting adults.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

refurb wrote: post #457
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #403

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Are you sure that's not learned behaviour? I've only ever seen it in older kids. I'd hypothesise it follows "expert" advise that suggests what I consider very late potty training.

Well consider 1 year olds will do it (my daughter did it when wearing diapers) even though we have no indication it was needed.

I've spent time around more babies & toddlers than most people see in a lifetime (sometimes >50 per day; probably no more than 2000 per year though; for >decade; [working at baby & toddler groups]).

Could you say if this was a fixed behaviour (ie they always sought a private place to poop), had a fixed location (eg always behind the couch), if you used a potty at the time, and exactly which month it appeared at so I can note it with my own observations. Cheers.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

astrange wrote: post #204
EdwardDiego wrote: post #14

I think this is why British crime dramas / police procedurals seem to feel more real (to me, raised in a post-colonial country) - very few people look like temporarily financially embarrassed models slumming it as detectives.

I don't know if this is just what they picked for BBC America, but every single British TV comedy I've ever watched has a cast of 90% white haired elderly people sitting around and being sarcastic at each other. Last of the Summer Wine, Dad's Army, Are You Being Served, etc etc. These were also the only thing my parents watched, so it was a relief when I got to watch normal people TV and saw someone in their 20s.

> every single British TV comedy I've ever watched has a cast of 90% white haired elderly people

In contrast, every time US studios have to film an actor over 35, they blood-sacrifice a weeping marsupial to the attractiveness pantheon.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

tux1968 wrote: post #627
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #623

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Well they're pretty identical in effort, so the same - you apparently consider them to be entirely the same class of work with no moral/ethical difference.

Lifting a pen to write a cheque for 10,000 is identical in effort to doing the same thing to write a cheque for 10. Physical effort is not the only criteria we use to assign value. I don't believe that it's ethical to enforce my moral/ethical beliefs on other consenting adults.

So you would, I'm assuming they asked you so there's no issue of forcing beliefs on people.

Why is 'forcing beliefs' even at question, you surely don't think whether you're forcing your beliefs on someone when the issue is carrying luggage?

Or, maybe they're different classes of activity and you already realise this ...

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