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Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

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Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

#53
Congrats on the launch! I work for a video-chat startup as well, and although we’re focused on synchronous rather than asynchronous, maybe my perspective will be useful.

In the “Woice” launch-thread, I noted that the power of voice-communication is in its real-time feedback loop that is like a collaborative search algorithm for both identifying and solving problems. My concern is how to keep that algorithm operational while losing the efficiency of real-time feedback.

I think the answer might come from my latest Slack irritant — that threads are only one-level deep. A deep conversation is just as difficult to hold over Slack as it is in real life, as it forces conversations to be linear and single-threaded. Due to that, it is common to “lose the thread” of discussion.

With async communication, it is possible to have a multi-threaded non-linear conversation. While losing the efficiency of being real-time, nested asynchronous communication could enable a broader search space.

A few commenters have mentioned Loom. But imagine if you could reply to a timestamp in Loom with your own video rather than an emoji. In a normal face-to-face conversation, you would interrupt someone to make a comment or question, and this would often change the course of the conversation.

Although face-to-face conversation is on the surface single-threaded and linear, I think good conversations actually hide the non-linear threads in people’s minds as the discussion alternatives between meandering and refocusing, enabling a wide-ranging conversation where many topics are examined and ultimately synthesized. The original thread is never lost even as other threads of relevance come and go.

So that’s my two-cents and I hope it’s helpful: to keep in mind that synchronous communication is only apparently single-threaded and linear, and that when moving to asynchronous you might want to explore how to retain (if not amplify) multi-threaded non-linear communication.

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

#54

Looks nice we want to try it out. We cannot find the slack integration though, is it available yet?

Yes, our Slack integration will be in a beta for a few more weeks. Email me if you'd like access. My email is in my profile.

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

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I really like this concept. I think for me one of the things that kills me about Slack is the way people write tiny little stream of consciousness messages. These are way less thought through even than they would be if you were having a normal conversation and serve as a distraction when it comes to the constant notifications. I think asking people to stop and think a little bit (which I believe recording a video doe…

Thanks for the feedback. One of our team's best productivity hacks is using PingPong for standups and sharing our screen to show whatever it is we've been working on. It's incredible for team understanding and engagement. It's like a mini-async sprint demo every day.

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

#56
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Any plans for supporting Linux? Half of our team (30 ppl) is Linux-based and I think it's often the case for software engineering teams.

Yes, we plan on supporting Linux soon. We built our app using Electron, so the lift shouldn't be too heavy to get it working for Linux.

I'd love to have your team beta our Linux app when it's ready. Email me if interested. My email is in my profile.

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

#57
I do think you're on the right path. There's a list of things as a manager I appreciate about pingpong's potential:

1. More personable 2. Ability to check on remote employees indirectly 3. Seems like it can lead to more meaningful company communication 4. I don't feel I need to organize a video chat to convey things that may be harder to convey via text. It's nice to have a quick option to record and send.

These are the items that are preventing us from implementation into our daily. We have a small team of 8 people (3 designers, 1 customer service, 3 operations, 1 marketing)

1. We'd rather have a one stop shop for our communication (ie. ability to send files & code corresponding with the video) 2. Currently just resorting to a facetime call or slack video call

Regardless - I'm still going to push my team to use this and get some more feedback as it seems your team is using it more frequently than slack.

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

#58
Hello everyone co-founder and CTO at Loom. There are lots of conversations around owning the end-to-end communication loop with Loom (and other async video products). Our team went over a ton of use cases we use Loom for that are pretty relevant to this thread in a webinar I'm linking to below.

https://www.loom.com/share/fe062f809754416b9d583266b47b9303

We will continue building out our platform, but we are instead focusing on features that generate a ton of value and are very hard to do (transcription for every paid user, instant trimming/editing, etc.). If there are other suggestions/gripes/comments about Loom, I'd love to hear about them! If you don't have a Hacker News account but do have a Twitter account, my DMs are open(https://twitter.com/vhmth).

Other than that, I want to say hats off to the PingPong team and other teams getting into this space!

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

#59
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> We hope to ultimately build a Slack/Teams alternative designed for rich, asynchronous human interactions that encourage deep work. All I can say is keep going. I've been feeling the absence of this for a while, and have taken to making occasional videos on Loom to supplement live meetings and Slack messages. But it's a disjointed experience, and Loom is not trying to be a collaboration tool at all. It would be grea…

> Loom is not trying to be a collaboration tool at all

ngould I'd love to understand this point of view. What are the pain points of the experience being disjointed between Loom and Slack for your team right now?

Re: Launch HN: PingPong (YC W21) – Video messaging for remote teams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really get your point, but it may be relevant that when I edit launch texts for YC startups [1], I tell founders not to refer to themselves by company name. As in: don't say "FooCo lets you bar your baz"—that's a trope of marketing language. Put it some other way, such as "We let you bar your baz". Perhaps that advice is pushing things too far towards "we"? I don't know; I didn't notice it yet, but there must…

Substituting "we" for the company name would probably not help at all. The text simply is too personal. This is particularly bad for a company whose goal is likely to provide value with absolute minimal friction—the potential user is primarily looking for something to improve their lives and wants to know what can be done for them. I urge you to highlight all the occurrences of "we" in the text and see how many phras…

I think you may just have a different stylistic preference from what I understand to work well on HN. I tell the founders explicitly to include themselves personally and include the backstory of how they came to work on this.
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