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When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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This might be because the New Yorker (and other fancy newspapers) need to differentiate their writing from the very direct, straight to the point writing we see online nowadays. Instead of getting straight to the point, they meander on in an attempt to sound smarter.

One thing that irks me about The New Yorker is their liberal use of diacritics. They've added umlauts to words with consecutive vowels like "cooperate" (coöperate) and "reelect" (reëelect), when it hasn't been a part of conventional American English (or any regional variant?) for quite some time.

It comes across as pretentious, which may be what they're going for and what their target audience wants to feel when they read The New Yorker.

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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I fed the first tech article I could find on NYT's front page ( https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/technology/silicon-valley... ) into Hemingway: - Grade 12 (aim for 9) - 14 adverbs - 4 uses of passive voice - 7 phrases have simpler alternatives - 14 of 72 sentences are hard to read - 30 of 72 sentences are very hard to read That's very close to the score of the 2010 article, the biggest difference is the lower numbe…

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Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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Sometime in the 80s when the major networks decided the newsroom, which had been a cost sink but was considered prestigious, should at least be able to pay for itself. The networks were losing profits to cable channels. As they cut costs and demanded revenue, the quality of broadcast news went to hell. Oh, and President Reagan abolished the Fairness Doctrine. https://publicseminar.org/essays/ronald-reagans-worst-decisi...

Newspapers somewhat followed suit, but they had always been ad-supported, so it wasn't until Craigslist and the like came along and took their classified income that they really started to feel the pinch.

Fast-forward to the early 21st century and the rise of click-bait news sites; newspapers couldn't compete. Papers also started getting snapped up by private equity firms, doing what private equity firms do.

Editing was the first casualty, but then pay for writers went on a race to the bottom. Good writers mostly abandoned the news and became freelancers, writing copy for whatever outlet would pay them.

tl;dr late-stage neoliberal capitalism happened.

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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> So I threw in the entire text into Hemingway, an app that identifies poor or confusing writing.

I found this interesting, because it seemed unbelievable to me that an app could be able to tell good writing from bad writing in a reliable or useful way.

So I took excerpts from Shirley Jackson's The Lottery and pasted them in. (For anyone unfamiliar with it, The Lottery is considered a masterpiece of a short story, and is widely taught in American high schools.) The excerpts I pasted were almost universally painted red: bad writing, "very hard to read."

Then I took excerpts of Isaac Asimov's The Last Question, another celebrated English-language short story in a very different writing style. Red and yellow all over.

Knowing full well what it would think of James Joyce, I skipped over him to try Roald Dahl's The Great Automatic Grammatizator -- red and yellow all over.

Lastly, for the sake of variety, I decided to try something simple and put in large swaths of one of the original Winnie the Pooh books. Finally, something it was mostly okay with! But only the dialogue. Anytime the author dared to write any description, red all over.

Seriously, don't use this tool.

Edited perspective from comment replies to mine: the app is largely okay with Hemingway, which makes sense as its main intent is to make your writing like Hemingway's. Also, if it is largely intended to be for business writing, then it makes sense that it would react poorly to literary writing. Both good points!

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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post #21

This is what happens when you spend decades demonizing journalism. Instead of giving us insightful articles, the New York times is competing against Facebook and Twitter to grab your attention immediately. I have a feeling most people don't read an entire New York times article, the entire point is just to create headlines you can share on Facebook or Twitter, keep those clicks and kpis flowing! In a way this is fant…

Wonder if one wrote articles that contradict themselves (conclusion contradicts the initial thesis) how many people would have read to the end to discover that the end invalidates the initial idea.

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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post #21

This is what happens when you spend decades demonizing journalism. Instead of giving us insightful articles, the New York times is competing against Facebook and Twitter to grab your attention immediately. I have a feeling most people don't read an entire New York times article, the entire point is just to create headlines you can share on Facebook or Twitter, keep those clicks and kpis flowing! In a way this is fant…

Not exactly sure what you mean by "decades demonizing journalism"? Who is doing the demonizing? Decades?

Paper journalism's death has been exacerbated by the Internet, but it was dying long before the WWW was a thing. Radio, cinema, and television all played a role in killing off paper journalism. At the height of their popularity newspapers weren't just a method of conveying cold hard facts, they were a form of entertainment. It's not surprising that the least visually engaging medium is dying off when there are dozens of other more visually, and in turn emotionally engaging mediums, competing for eyeballs.

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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If you read how most major newspapers used to write about drugs, particularly cannabis, then you learn they have always been bad, manipulative and sleazy. They have to keep certain line of reporting to keep their licenses, but also money flowing in from interested parties, e.g. pharmaceutical industry. I don't believe there is one trustworthy outlet - it's all politics and corruption so best is read as much sources as you can on a topic that interests you and find truth yourself.

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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post #12

>I think a problem is that modern newspapers cater to an audience that’s expected to be very plugged in to the cultural and political topic of the day, or at least fake it. Spot on. The point of this style of writing isn't to provide you with information about new events. The point is to provide framing/spin for people who are already familiar (albeit uperficially) with occurring events. At some point I stopped consu…

I always thought the once a week Sunday paper format was a blessing in disguise. It forced writers to sum up the week in a way that anyone could pick up and understand.

If you go to nytimes.com right now, there are a bunch of stories which are clearly in medias res. It feels like jumping into the 5th episode of a Netflix series.

Re: When did writing in major newspapers become so bad?

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Something that I think is rarely discussed when this topic comes up is the loss of prestige. Working for The New York Times or The New Yorker used to have some weight with pretty much everyone in the country. That is no longer the case. It hasn't been so for at least a couple of decades. Extremely erudite-yet-mostly-apolitical people like Lewis Lapham [1] went to literary magazines and high-end journalism a half-cent…

I think much of the journalism of ideas is happening in podcasts now. Podcasts certainly more of a frontier right now, with lots of people (still!) trying out interesting things, compared to the shrinking world of print journalism.

'Rough Translation' with Gregory Warner is one of the best, imo. The idea of to take important stories in the US and find analogues in other countries, and look at how they've played out. Consistently fascinating.

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510324/rough-translation

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